Mac (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2002 8:29 pm I need some straight-forward and honest reason for which my doctor will say that they have to be removed. No false games and no visits to shrinks.

I would have to agree with Sherry on this, someone like Dr. Kimmel may be your only option. Most, if not all, doctors will not remove healthy organs. Only if there is a health risk will they operate, even then, drug treatments are used before surgery is considered.

Mac (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2002 8:29 pm Have to have a reason that my wife will accept as medically necessary

Be honest with your wife. This must be your decision, and your decision alone. You must convey these feelings to your wife. She must be comfortable with your desicion. If you have been chemicaly castrated for some time, your inner feelings should guide you to the correct explination, if not, I fear your relationship may suffer. The psycological aspects of castration far outweigh the physical aspects. Not long after I started chemical castration, deep down inside I knew this was, in part, what I had been seeking all of my life. I hope this will help you find the answers you need.

P.S.: hope I was't too harsh, just trying to help and give my $0.02 worth

Chris

There are many medical conditions that require castration, including surgical castration.

Most types of cancer, especially prostate and testicular require castration to slow the spread of the cancer. Of course it would be difficult to fake cancer. If you wanted to fake cancer, I would suggest that you inject something into your testicle to make it lumpy. Doctor's very quickly will remove a testicle that seems to have certain types of masses in them.

Testicular torsion is perhaps the most common non-cancerous reason to remove testicles. If the blood supply has been reduced for 12 hours or more the testicle is considered unsalvagable. It is hard to fake testicular torsion though, because the actual condition requires a failure of some tendons that keep the testicles from twisting. Furthermore, they will do a doppler ultrasound to assess the blood supply.

Testicular atrophy is another reason to remove testicles.

My suggestion for getting a doctor to remove your testicles is to kill them first by cutting off the blood supply. You only need to cut off the supply for 12 hours, but that is easier said than done (painful). Burdizzo clamping might work as well. Or injections of a weak acid into the testicle.

To repeat, you need to damage them in a way that they atrophy. Doctor's will not hesitate to remove testicles that are necrotic.

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SplitDik (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2002 9:50 am To repeat, you need to damage them in a way that they

> atrophy. Doctor's will not hesitate to remove testicles

> that are necrotic.

If he e.g. Burdizzo-clamps his testicles, how do you suggest that he explain it to the doctor without being labelled mentally insane?

Warning!!!

Be careful with what you do. Injecting things into your testicles may have some serious health consequences. Plus most liquids will not cause a lump. I have injected sterile saline before, and testicle became rock hard, however it didn't take long for it to wear off, and there were no noticeable lumps.

You will probably not be able to withstand the pain from some of the method SplitDik mentioned. I also imagine you will be given low priority in the ER over more life threatening cases. Make sure you research things very well before attempting them, as nobody wants to see you in the ER or even worse dead.

I agree that most liquids injected in the testicles will not cause permanent lumps.

I have injected all of the following into my testicles at one time or another:

- cooking oil

- male hormones (test cypionate, test ethanate, test decathanate, etc.)

- female hormones

- vinegar

- rubbing alcohol

- saline

I have a large number of small "cysts" that doctors always comment on when they ultrasound my testes -- these are the injection sites. But nothing that can be really called a lump.

Yes, it is definitely painful, and only recommended to someone who can withstand or enjoys such pain. Furthermore, all of the above (except possibly saline) will cause adverse health effects to your body in general.

To create a lump, you'd probably have to use something like silicon gel or something. It would be difficult to inject, and you'd need to choose something non-toxic.

I too want everyone to play safe. But unfortunately, castration is next to impossible to get safely, and I think that tricking a doctor may be one's only recourse. So the balance is to hurt your testicles in a way that does not hurt the rest of your body.

Regarding explaining to the doctor, all you need to do is to feign ignorance. Go into the doctor because your testicles don't feel right (hard, lumpy, whatever). Then when he/she asks about your history, tell them that "yes in fact I did have some severe pain down there a couple months ago". If an ultrasound shows that blood flow is restricted, that the testicles have atrophied, or there are significant lumps, then the doctor might figure that you either had a torsion incident that spontaneously untorsioned or that you have to have testicular biospy.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2002 1:14 pm Regarding explaining to the doctor, all you need to do is to feign ignorance. Go into the doctor because your testicles don't feel right (hard, lumpy, whatever). Then when he/she asks about your history, tell them that "yes in fact I did have some severe pain down there a couple months ago". If an ultrasound shows that blood flow is restricted, that the testicles have atrophied, or there are significant lumps, then the doctor might figure that you either had a torsion incident that spontaneously untorsioned or that you have to have testicular biospy.

Doesn't the Burdizzo clamp leave an obvious mark on the scrotum where it was clamped down?

Mac (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2002 8:29 pm I need some straight-forward and honest reason for which my doctor will say that they have to be removed. No false games and no visits to shrinks.

Have to have a reason that my wife will accept as medically necessary.

Hi Mac,

From reading your posts, I do appreciate that you do love your wife. If you wish to work this out with her so that you may sustain your relationship, then do attempt to do that.

But in the end, the decision to be castrated or not be castrated has to be yours, because it is your body. Here in the USA, a woman can have an abortion without the consent of her husband. So should a man be able to have castration or a penectomy even if his wife objects? When your wife does not wish to have sex, you respect that. Should she respect the husband who wishes to overthrow an oppressive libido?

Do make your best effort to continue your relationship, but whether you get castrated or don't get castrated has to be determined by you.

I wish you a long and happy relationship and a body you are comfortable with.

Hi Mac,

Sherry (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2002 4:32 pm the decision to be castrated or not be castrated has to be yours, because it is your body. Here in the USA, a woman can have an abortion without the consent of her husband. So should a man be able to have castration or a penectomy even if his wife objects? … I wish you a long and happy relationship and a body you are comfortable with.

Sherry JoanneThank you Sherry,

I love my wife and we have a great relationship that I will not sacrifice. That is why I must find a way where she will willingly accept any changes.

You are right that a woman can get an abortion without her husband’s approval. However, I would be willing to bet that a wife’s approval would have to be obtained for her husband to be castrated. My wife had to sign a consent form when I had a vasectomy.

happousai (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2002 3:20 pm Doesn't the Burdizzo clamp leave an obvious mark on the scrotum where it was clamped down?

I am suggesting that you wait until after the testicles atrophy -- perhaps several weeks after using the burdizzo. The burdizzo will definitely cause a significant bruize/scab, but if you do it properly you only clamp a portion of the scrotum, allowing bloodflow to still make it to the remainder of the scrotum -- that will allow healing. The scrotum is such a wrinkly piece of skin that a scar may well be unoticable once the scab peels away.

I've seen a lot of urologists, and surprisingly they are almost as squeamish as other people regarding close inspection of your genitals. They certainly will inspect whatever you complain about, but they don't really do that thorough of a job. I am fairly sure that if you complained about atrophy, they will simply roll the testicle in their fingers then prescribe an ultrasound.

Is there a small clamp that will clamp the cords to the testicle for long enough to affect it without doing any permanent damage to the scrotum?