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Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 2:48 am
by Master Waddie (imported)
Summer Night

Now that, more nearest even your fate

and mine (or any truth beyond preceive)

Quivers this miracle of summer nights

Her trillion secrets touchably alive

While all mysteries which I or you

(blinded by merely things beliveable)

Could only fancy we should never know

Are unimaginably ours to feel-

How should some world (we marvel) doubt,

for just

Sweet terrifying the particular

Moment it takes one very falling most

(There! did you see it?) star to disappear,

That hugest whole creation maybe less

Incalcuable than a single kiss.

Master Waddie

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 4:31 am
by Riverwind (imported)
I go along with all of you and your reasons, even an atheist believes in something,

I am not sure there is a god, at least not the god we have been forced to believe. Maybe its gods, after all if we are to believe the bible only one of several books on the subject, god said there shall be no other gods before me. So there’s a #1 god and lots of other gods? My head hurts.

Haven/Hell no such place, man made invention, used by shamans and priest to keep the population in line. If you look at the mythology of any culture, then start to compare them with each other, include Geneses in the bible you fine there all alike, I think it’s a conspiracy, not sure who started it but today’s religions sure are trying to keep it alive.

I have several bibles, I read them, yes they don’t agree, words and meaning are changed from one to the other.

I don’t care what your religion is or how you believe just leave me the hell alone, because I know for a fact I don‘t believe the way you do.

Life is like climbing a ladder, with each life we go up or down or stay. When you reach the top of the ladder then you can finally go to the next plain of existence. Me I am on step 13 and still not sure what I was suppose to do in this life so I will probably have to do the damn thing again.

This does not upset me much, as I believe I have been castrated in past lives and I get to do it again. 😛

Riverwind the Happy Eunuch

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 10:23 pm
by A-1 (imported)
Kortpeel says...
Kortpeel (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2002 12:24 am Just an anecdote to finish. A brilliant mathematician of my acquaintance was doing a Master's Degree in Cosmology. He told me that it was fine all the time you stuck to the math and the equations but from time to time he would try to get his mind around what the whole thing really meant. He felt he was getting close to an understanding when suddenly he really understood everything in the field of cosmology he was working on. It was so awesome that he had to immediately back off from it. He told me that it was as if, for the briefest instant, he had gazed upon the face of God. That guy quit his degree and now lives in a cottage in a forest in Africa.

Does any of this make any sense?

YES.

A similar thing happened to me.

Probably, to Ted Kazenski (Sp?)

To make a long story short intellectual stress, especially in the areas of Physics and Mathematics, can do terrible things to brilliant minds. (Not that I possess one), I am so fried by 45 years of school, on one side of the desk or the other, that I am prone to flights of fantasy and recently said to hell with science, math and medicine and took up music.

Fuck that science shit. I'm gonna have Antonia cut my nuts off and then I'm gonna fly away. I have already put too many innocent children on this painful orb. Now they are doing what I did. I am a G-*&%#)$(*) Grandpa! HELP! SOMEBODY STOP THE CYCLE OF ABUSE OF HUMANITY.

Extinction is the ONLY answer....

OH GOD, YOU DID ME THIS WAY>>>>>>>>

🔨 A-1 🔨

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 1:09 pm
by peter4u (imported)
Well if you guys couldn't catch it by the name, I'm the biggest Matrix fiend in the universe....trust me, this applies to the thread.

1999 - New Years Eve

While the US partied and danced to Prince's 1980's hit, I tossed and turned in bed with the worst case of food poisoning. I for SURE knew I was going to die. I was scared, yet I refused to go to the hospital. The drama queen I am, I opted to stay and suffer this long and grueling death. Well, it didn't seem so bad afterall in the current light of my life. I'd had a degree in English Arts for four years with nothing to show for it; I was working as an underpaid and under-respected secretary at a social & golf club; I'd been trying to crack into screenwriting for three years and failed miserably; I was slowly breaking up with my girlfriend...it was a bad way to go into the New Year, let's just say.

But all that was trivial because my biggest issue in life was religion. I'd been raised Lutheran up till 12 or 13, then my mom decided we were going back to the Baptist church. By 15 I discovered heavy metal, and hence all the wonderful Anton LeVey and Aliester Crowley books. By 16 I was Wiccan and had NO problem in letting my not-too-educated parents know it.

By 18, I was a college freshman who got bunked with a born-again x-tian. It actually didn't take long for her to covert me because on the first day of college, I was so distraught with my spritual and sexual life that I just wanted to be a nun anyway. Hell, Catholics had prettier churches and cool chamber music. I could live w/ it.

But no, back into the Pentacostal, dancing, spinning give-all-your-money to the building fund, the tithes, the offerings, the other offerings and even more offerings while we buy our pastor a BRAND NEW JAGUAR! yes, we did that one year and I actually was happy...as I drove my '88 clunker Chevy.

By 1992, I dropped out of college to go to a local university closer to home. By 1994, I'd found so much wrong with the Church and its interpretation of the Bible, that I went back to Wicca and called myself the hybrid X-tian Crafter.

And all the while, I possessed a paralying phobia of death. Dreamt of hell, dreamt of heaven, dreamt of demons and devils - those Ozzy records will do it to you, I'm tellin' ya. ;)

In 1997 I was introduced to Buddhism (the one Tina Turner practices). I shrugged at it. It was WAY too different for me, yet the practice attracted me a bit.

By 1998 I was practicing quietly, all the while BEGGING GOD for answers, saying, "if you don't want me to practice this, why did you show it to me?" It was the Adam Syndrome, you all know that one, where Adam blames GOD for giving him Eve who ate of the fruit and bade him to eat it too? Heh, I LOVE reading that.

I prayed nights, sobbed, cried, wanted to committ suicide because the world was soooo effed up and there were no true answers. And as an astrologer and tarot reader, I was grossly distraught because I found my crafts to be accurate and useful, yet they were abominations to many of the mainstream religions.

And then March 1999 came. It was the Wednesday before Easter and I was invited to my professor's church for an Easter play. It was okay. Their church was really quirky and funny, so I liked it. But that evening, I didn't want to go home for numerous parental reasons, so I drove around until I realized I had pop cans in my back seat. I cashed them in and decided to catch a movie. It was 9:00...the only interesting thing playing was the Matrix...and it changed how I looked at my own life.

NOW, while I see profound beauty in The Matrix on a gazillion-different levels (won't go into them here), I had to say all the above to say this one thing: Like Neo had to realize who he was and what his potential was to stop the agents, all of us must do the same to battle the everyday challenges that come against us. We all must go through the same catharsis and realize that the god man seeks is within himself. It is not a graying man sitting on a throne of heavenly clouds, an Islamic prophet, a carpenter's son, or an Indian prince turned esthetic. They, like all of us, are embodiments of god and the manifestation of god-like potential (power).

God, in the simplest of terms, is the will of man to do good, to progress and help his fellow man progress. God lives in the compassion of one's heart, the unconditional love and all the joy that comes with it. God is the ability to forgive and to grow. God is the ability to learn from errors and be responsible for one's actions.

In that, I simply call "god" the spirit of the universe. Much like the Native American's Great Spirit, I call upon the Universe often for everything from spiritual questions, to matters of my heart, to matters of my pocket, and yes even to matters of my sexuality. I mean, hell, if can't talk to the Universe (or God) who shares this body with my very soul, who CAN I talk to? Though I don't have all the answers, I do have a sense of peace now in my life I've never had since I could remember. Ever since kindergarten, I had a fear of death, and somewhere in my crazy life of 1999, I lost that fear altogether.

RE: The Science end of things.

I SUCK at science, yet it intrigues me. On a spiritual side, however, I've been where our earlier posters have when they said they "gazed at the face of God" and then ran like bats outta hell. I did it too. It's a scary thing to have burning questions and then be given the answers. Why? The more you know, the more you're responsible for. Nothing has scared me more than the revelations I've had in the past 3 or 4 years. I wake up mornings praying I can call my life just one huge drama laced with one coincidence after another, but I can't anymore. I have to accept what i am, who I am and why I was put here - like all the rest of you. Believing in God is not the test here, it's believing in your own ability to be the best human being you can possibly be and, hopefully, take a few others with you along that path.

Hope I didn't bore you.

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:43 pm
by A-1 (imported)
Hope I didn't bore you.

Hell, no. Perish the thought.

If I had it to do all over I would have moved to New Orleans in 1970 and became a jazz musician.

🚬 A-1 🚬

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:03 am
by LonePanther88 (imported)
All I care about is strengthening the positive and constructive energy of this universe. Next time You see a little snail crossing the sidewalk and heading out toward traffic🙇 do YOURSELF a favor and pick the little guy up and gently put him where he'll be safe. :) please? There are beings above You who may or may not help You when You need it.

I say be loving and kind, but at the same time also be strong and independant so that the weaker beings can have a hero sometimes:)

life is an adventure....so enjoy it:D

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:18 am
by Pueros
There may or may not be some form of supreme being who is responsible for existence. However, I'm sure that the being is not someone I really want to know if he/she/it wants to be worshipped.

My view is to proceed with life as best as possible, loving & taking care of others as much as you'd like yourself to be loved & cared for along the way.

PUEROS

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:19 pm
by Farrell_Squire (imported)
peter4u (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2002 1:09 pm It's a scary thing to have burning questions and then be given the answers. Why? The more you know, the more you're responsible for. Nothing has scared me more than the revelations I've had in the past 3 or 4 years. I wake up mornings praying I can call my life just one huge drama laced with one coincidence after another, but I can't anymore. I have to accept what i am, who I am and why I was put here - like all the rest of you. Believing in God is not the test here, it's believing in your own ability to be the best human being you can possibly be and, hopefully, take a few others with you along that path.

Hope I didn't bore you.

Yes Neoscrow, I can relate. I must confess there are times when I wish I had taken the blue pill (almost). Years ago, one of my teachers said that our path is like a train that costs nothing to get on, but you pay dearly to get off. I have found that to be true.

Farrell

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 8:26 pm
by haltlos (imported)
Most of you will remember the girl that didn't sin but by the help of a spirit of some kind (hell, sounds like a lame exuse...*g) got pregnant and then mother anyway.

Remember what later became of that child?

Makes me wonder about what Antonias children are up to become since we can assume that she DID sin, most probably uses spirits for more obvious purposes, did NOT get pregnant but nevertheless has two (or more ?) !

...

Maybe the question should not go to US if we had a problem with god but to HIM, if he's got one with us!

And in that case, if he PLEASE could try talking about it in understandable ways and a civilized manner, because I'm sure then we could come to an agreement that satisfies all.

Hell, I** can tolerate a childish, touchy, vain but unfortunately allmighty Beeing as long as it at least TRYS to behave, but I don't think you should show TOO much tact there anyway. That way you only nurture dictators.

He/she may do to me whatever he/she wants but then will have to go on without me. No problem with ME!

🧑‍🎄 gus.

Re: ...A Problem With God...

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2002 9:55 am
by RavenWings (imported)
I hope that there are still people listening to this thread.

Something recently happened that made me truely hope that the Rapture happens very soon. Now, listen to this VERY VERY carefully and see if you got what I got.

When the Rapture happens, all of the 'good' people, ie beleivers in Christ, will go to heaven, and Jesus Christ will come to Earth and rule over a Paradise here.

What's wrong with that statement?

So, Christ, who is the total embodiment of good to a whole bunch of people, is going to come down here where all the sinners are and rule while all the 'good christians' are going to heaven where Christ/God are no longer in residence. Does this mean that Christ, after 2000 years of celibacy, purity, and good is planning on coming down for a very large bender at the end of eternity??? Not only that, but a while back, the Fundamentalists claimed that Orlando would be wipped out by a huricane for letting Gays have work benifits and a Gay Pride day..... Does anyone remember what the very next huricane was??? 😱 it was Floyd. And where did Floyd hit? Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina. Has Orlando been hit by a huricane yet? I'm really begining to think that we should do the opposite of what it says in the Bible simply because the imperical evidence is that God isn't on the side of all of those fanatics, but on the side of those who can think and reason for themselves. Those places that are more secular seem to be thriving while theocracies flail in the dark ages.

Seriously, though, much of my religious beleifs come from the author Terry Pratchett. In his book Small Gods, he sets up the idea that it wasn't the Gods who created man, but man who created the Gods. That and a lot of Native American/Celtic ideas.

So, I hope you all enjoyed this little rant. I may post more if there are more posts on the subject.