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Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:47 pm
by jetleg (imported)
poor kid, let him some privacy!

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:01 am
by Hash (imported)
Rethinking this, I postulate that if I was Patches Deshazo and or another member of the family, I'd try to get Holden repaired sooner rather than later. I think the longer he waits, the worse it might be psychologically for him. It might also be better to have the new penis & testicles grow up with him. I remember reading about kidney transplantation and how a younger patient who receives a juvenile kidney actually adapts and the kidney is more easily accepted by the host body. I would guess you'd have the same results with a transplanted penis, testicles, and scrotum if it's possible to do a transplant.

Here's something to consider: http://www.bioline.org.br/pdf?pe09028

So if I'm Holden's urologist, I'd want to do this surgery early on, well before puberty. The difficulty is finding a suitable donor, it'll be a sad situation for the parents of the child who has died, and what do you say? Is it o.k. for us to remove and transplant your deceased son's genitalia? I suppose if they hear the story about Holden they might be more compelled to give the O.K. Lastly, micro surgery is certainly more advanced today so his chances are good that if the surgery is done early, he'll be able to experience what every teenage boy experiences when puberty hits. If he waits until puberty, it might be years before things heal or work properly. I know they're in need of money to pay for the reconstructive surgery, they recently raised $230,00 so I think he'll have this surgery soon.

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:04 am
by Milkman (imported)
What is disturbing about this article is that there is no mention of the horrific case of David Reimer (
) in the discussion of their attempts to change the unfortunate infants' sex!! This does not speak well of the state of Iranian medicine as well as the sloppy literature review in what is supposed to be a peer reviewed journal.

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:07 am
by foxytaur (imported)
this is absolutely horrific.

Testosterone will only serve to screw up his mind as he further develops!!!!

I knew about the case of David Reimer, hell I used to live in winnipeg.

May "Dr.John William Money" burn in hell for what he did!!!!!!!!!

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:47 pm
by foxytaur (imported)
Regarding transplants of missing appendages;

What makes the medical community so adament as to not accept genital donors.

The testes would be impossible to donate seeing as the body would not accept foreign tissue to that degree (at the chromatid level) especially with the advancements of micro-surgery.

However for something like a penis I can't see why not it would ok for medicine to allow penis donations.

And I emphasize possible candidates here on EA!!..........🚶🆘

Call me crazy but some of us compatible boold type members don't need the appendage and I mean it'll be good to see it used for a good cause rather then let it go to waste.

Sometimes help from a good Samaritan is all what needed.........."wink"

PS= Dear God; What am I saying?!!!!!!.........😄

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:20 pm
by SplitDik (imported)
I've always thought that FTM transgendered should try to get a penis donor, as the current techniques for construction of a penis from arm muscles and stuff is way less than satisfactory. Ideally maybe they could do a swap of genitals with a MTF. I realize that transplants aren't really viable and the matching is a tough issue, but maybe someday it would make sense, and could be a big improvement since current SRS techniques are pretty crude really.

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:53 pm
by foxytaur (imported)
Current genital SRS and endocrine techniques would be better if the medical community weren't so stuck up to their Hippocratic oath.

Basically this lack of incentive to go where no man/women/third sex has gone before cripples the very core of innovation of future research and development.

What we get are crude tools to deal with when a situation arises when something goes wrong to someone deserving of a second chance in life.

I feel we could do better is all I saying........... nuff said

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:43 am
by Hash (imported)
foxy,

Are you sure Dr. Money is totally to blame? David Reimer's penis was burnt to a crisp by a bungling urologist. That was tragic and back in those days the medical community didn't really know what was best; let him grow up without a penis or turn him into a girl with the hope that he'd accept his new sex. Growing up without a penis would have been extremely difficult for a young boy, same as Holden, all the other boys are peeing into the urinal with their penises, but you've got to sit to pee. Psychologically that's difficult, peer pressure, other boys making fun of you, calling you a girl. Kids are tough on other kids growing up, he might have been suicidal in High School. In hindsight, turning David Reimer into a girl didn't work and doesn't work, it was a novel attempt to fix something that was hard to fix, a boy without a penis.

Re: Follow up on Houston boy who's mom cut off his genitals

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:25 am
by foxytaur (imported)
No but it's this traditional assumption of a binary gender system that has to stop at once.

For shame the medical community has long ignored the pleas from genderqueer, bigender, pangender,genderfluid,transgender,intersexuals, hermaphrodite.....the list goes on.

I could tell you that male lesbians exist too......Ultimately it's for the child to decide who he/she/hir/sie/ze want to be as they become of age.

Dr Money's "assumption" and denial to embrace that he was wrong until it was too late was his very undoing;

The real shame here is that he is a "proffesional" who should have known better when to stop when the signs became clear David was uncomfortable with the whole

scenario.

Granted his parents had a lot to do with his instability.TThey should have known better when it became clear he didn't like nor want to be a girl.