No we should never legalize drugs never but we should put those to death who sell to our children and ruin lives that's my two cents.

sag111 (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:07 am No we should never legalize drugs never but we should put those to death who sell to our children and ruin lives that's my two cents.

Sag if drugs were legalized and controlled they would have to show ID to prove they are old enough to purchase drugs. This would make it tougher for kids to obtain drugs. The neighborhood dealer does not ask for ID. Of course the big trend for children is to raid the medicine cabinet at home for their high.

We are not winning the war on drugs or even making headway. Oh and I do not think opening a can of Old Testament whoopass is going to help.

sag111 (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:07 am No we should never legalize drugs never but we should put those to death who sell to our children and ruin lives that's my two cents.

So if some kid, 15 is caught selling drugs on the street, we should just kill this 15 year old kid because he is selling to his older 16 year old brother?

If drugs were legal, this 15 yr old kid would not be selling the drugs and we save his life.

Think back to when you were a kid, you always want to do something that's on the edge, smoking because your not of legal age to do so, drink for the same reason, then you became an adult, some of us continued to drink and smoke, I stopped drinking in my early 20's, smoking took a lot longer, but both were started because I was not of legal age. I believe half the kids today that do drugs if it were legal the fun would be taken out of trying it in the first place.

There is not fun in going to the local drug store and buying a pack of Panama Red, its just not the same as meeting some guy you just herd about in a back ally to get a bag of pot that you now need to roll your own to smoke, its just not the same, the Panama Red is the same, but the thrill is gone.

The answer is, legalize it and tax it like tobacco and alcohol. It stops the drug cartels the minute its passed and cuts the funding to terrorists around the world.

Its a win win.

River

By any conceivable measure of expenditures and results, the War on Drugs has been a colossal failure.

Every time a politician opens his mouth about the war on drugs, it makes me sick.

America WAS founded on the principles of personal liberties and beliefs. What happened to that?

As a former corrections officer, I can attest to the notion that the war on drugs does no good.

I think the war on drugs is for political and big-Pharma profit. A way to get more money into and expand law enforcement, and a way to buy votes.

Ever-expanding governmental control.

There will be high objections to legalizing drugs from that faction. Hundreds-of-thousands of Officers will be out of work. And, of course, they will be backed by the religious right.

I see no effects of someone else's drug use on me. (Same as gay marriage.) I don't do drugs, and typically don't hang around with those who enjoy them. That's MY choice. I decided it isn't for ME. I still respect the rights of others to choose to do them, EVEN if I might think they are bad for you.

I do not want ANYONE telling me how to run my life, no matter what the case may be. I don't have the right to tell others how to live.

If I choose to drink, smoke or doctor myself up; it's MY choice. I don't need any more parents than I was blessed with.

As a Naturopath, I can attest; currently, there ARE laws against CHOICES. That should not be.

Pharmaceutical companies instigated the use of LAW to protect their potions. It bit them in the ass. Now they have to spend hundreds-of-millions on the politics involved, just to get a potion or pill to the public. There are drugs that are beneficial, but not profitable to produce, so it's shelved.

While it is true that there were a bunch of Snake Oil Salesmen out there, Politicians used those beginning laws to expand their empires.

I see no point in having the government be a parent to the nation. The War on Drugs is only part of that ideology (a parental government). Drugs should be de-legalized, and 'use' legalized, or at least not monitored by law enforcement any more than booze and tobacco. There will always be a need for production & safety laws.

Commerce should rule the market. If people don't like it, they usually stop buying it. If it won't sell, it won't get produced. We only have to look at a couple of European countries for a prime example of recreational drug commerce. Legalizing it didn't fix EVERYTHING, but nothing really can do that. There's always a few bad apples in every barrel.

Competition might not deter the violence caused by the drug lords and cartels in the producing countries initially, but commerce will take over on the distribution-end. That will teach the cartels product pricing, trade avenues, and preparation values. Only the best will win the market.

If drugs were decriminalized, kids would NOT see the appeal. When they are illegal, they are appealing. It's cool to be seen as a bad-ass risk-taker.

If a local society, or group thinks addicts need help, fine. Keep it local. Beg for donations. Don't make it mandatory that all citizens have to contribute.

If someone chooses to blow their mind, fine. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

It's sad, but there are those who can't be helped.

The costs to the taxpayers is horrendous; with all the government-sponsored 'programs', prisons, law enforcement, special task forces, hospital costs, disability, employment downtime (all never paid by the user/addict/dealer) . . . it all adds up to unnecessary expenses to society (Taxpayer). A little bit of idiocy goes a LONG way. No one 'deserves' a free ride.

When I think about all the money the taxpayer would save . . . makes my head spin.

Drop ALL laws for drugs, and let the user make their own choices. We already DO have laws that (would) cover drug use. They do not need expanding, just observed. If your actions affect others, prepare to pay the penalties.

If you booze-it-up, and drive your car into someone's house, aren't you expected to pay for the damages? Same thing for recreational drugs.

If someone needs help, fine . . . there is plenty available that probably won't go away . . . but find a way to pay for it yourself, or at least own it after your head is cleared.

If someone isn't intelligent enough to make sound decisions, or if their choices do them in . . . well, maybe society is better off.

In nature, only the strongest survive (Darwin's Law).

But, 'society' isn't nature.

Well, I thought that we had legalized "drugs". Just as long as you have a prescription for them. Make no mistake, there is a significant problem with prescription abuse also.

The war on drugs has had the effect of forcing physicians NOT to medicate patients who really do need medicated. This is especially true of terminal patients on morphine for chronic pain control.

Methamphetamine that is causing "Meth Mouth" is the result of how Meth is being synthesized in home labs from household chemicals. Methamphetamine manufactured under pharmaceutical conditions will not cause those problems.

Methamphetamine is NOT a newly synthesized drug, and Adolph Hitler used it. Also, it was used as "diet pills" for a number of years. However, repeated years of abuse and tolerance that increased dose for the same effect caused hemorrhagic strokes that were in many instances fatal led to its discontinuation in favor of milder stimulants for 'diet pills'.

Meth is the scourge right now but if all drugs were legalized or at least made available without prescription probably the use of Meth would be significantly curtailed. If you could buy good drugs and you knew their strength and purity there would be no reason to get dangerous street drugs. Crime would no longer be necessary to obtain them and violence connected with the use, distribution and manufacture of drugs would be significantly decreased.

De-criminalizing drugs would lead the criminal element into something else to make illegal money and might make users sicker, but probably not. Redefinition of what constitutes legal grounds for employment termination would also be needed.

Right now, management terminates employees for having trace amounts of drugs present in blood or urine tests. This would have to be changed setting levels of substances that would be considered intoxication much the same as alcohol.

Federal money for Meth eradication has been practically eliminated and this leaves communities in a position where they must fund their own anti-meth programs.

From a medical standpoint chronic meth users are left many times with a particular tic involving involuntary gross motor movements that visible from across the room or across the street and this long with the dental problems is making the addicted easily recognizable.

But you want to know what? Legalization of Drugs in western society, especially America, will not happen. There are too many people in the shadows making too much money to allow that.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:46 am The war on drugs has had the effect of forcing physicians NOT to medicate patients who really do need medicated. This is especially true of terminal patients on morphine for chronic pain control.

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Confirm that. A neighbor had a 97 year old relative visiting from Arkansas who forgot her supply of injectable morphine as she used for years for pain.

What to do?

"California is a really bad State to be a pain patient" was my response but I advised yellow paging a "Pain Clinic", and a reputable pain clinic took care of the elderly lady without substitution of her regime. A GP in California would be busted for that regardless of documentation. Consider: Rx a few Tylenol #3 for weekend coverage of someone known for years and two months later get a State of California letter that this person has received: followed by the list of over prescribed super strong meds (dilaudid, Oxycontin) from multiple docs and a new name on the list over a few Tylenol #3.

Ending the War on Drugs will hopefully allow physicians appropriate latitude to treat pain without the feeling of the Sword of Damocles hanging over them.

Chart review and not computers will reveal drug mills and responsible practice of medicine whether one patient on morphine out of a whole practice or a dedicated Pain Clinic. Computers might lead to chart reviews. That is appropriate. Docs should keep good charts.

Moi

Yea River if he is a gang banger drug seller FRY HIM OR HER.I can not stand to see these punks selling drugs to our kids for there prophet and to hell with the kids and the damage they do.

sag111 (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:19 pm Yea River if he is a gang banger drug seller FRY HIM OR HER.I can not stand to see these punks selling drugs to our kids for there prophet and to hell with the kids and the damage they do.

Again, who would use a street vendor if a Physician could prescribe freely and appropriately?

Too much BIG BROTHER... WAY too much...