twineagles (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:50 pm I think there are a number of us who are interested in bodybuilding but doing so without our nuts. Anyone out there trying to castrate themselves using large doses of test which will cause testituclar atrophy. I wonder if the atrophy could be taken to the point that our balls are actually finally absorbed by our body. Interested in all levels of experience.

Children who start taking Roids for body building around puberty and take them for years, their testicles never develop and atrophy. Adults taking Roids and Testosterone it will take years before the testicle will not recover, now fertility is a different maybe as little as 6 months and you may be infertile. I would not use it a birth control as there are too many variables.

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What Dave and Losethem said.

I am a competitive strength athlete, and plan on using Test post-castration. I am hoping this will prevent losing any strength or muscle mass. Maybe it could even help me gain more since my natural test is on the low-end of the scale.

I have considered just staying on-cycle for a long period of time to cause the atrophy, but I'd rather be without them at all as they cause me great discomfort and pain. Trying to find a local Urologist to do the procedure, otherwise some travel is in my near future.

I just have to comment that I find it both ironic and a bit obnoxious how the instant someone brings up testosterone on this forum, multiple people jump in and *immediately* start talking about liver toxicity.

It's well known that cyproterone (aka Androcur) can be *extremely* hard on the liver, but I've hardly ever seen folks grumpily jumping at those who've posted about their interest in using that substance (or Provera, or countless other medications, some of which are clearly being used/mixed/experimented with at maximum dosages). Likewise, there are plenty of risks associated with using estrogen (to say nothing of lifelong risks of breast cancer once one is feminized), but I don't see anyone harassing the transgendered about their choice in hormones.

This is supposed to be a gathering place for open-minded people to discuss castration issues and interests. I understand that some of the folks here hate testosterone and couldn't care less about having objective discussions, but I had to call a spade a spade. Seriously people!

italmusclebtm (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:48 am I just have to comment that I find it both ironic and a bit obnoxious how the instant someone brings up testosterone on this forum, multiple people jump in and *immediately* start talking about liver toxicity.

It's well known that cyproterone (aka Androcur) can be *extremely* hard on the liver, but I've hardly ever seen folks grumpily jumping at those who've posted about their interest in using that substance (or Provera, or countless other medications, some of which are clearly being used/mixed/experimented with at maximum dosages). Likewise, there are plenty of risks associated with using estrogen (to say nothing of lifelong risks of breast cancer once one is feminized), but I don't see anyone harassing the transgendered about their choice in hormones.

This is supposed to be a gathering place for open-minded people to discuss castration issues and interests. I understand that some of the folks here hate testosterone and couldn't care less about having objective discussions, but I had to call a spade a spade. Seriously people!

Before you start telling the rest of us how intolerant we are and that we're not allowing objective discussions, you need to go back and read the thread and figure out why we are making these comments. Here is what TwinEagles posted back there:

twineagles (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:19 pm I'm shooting, not oral, about 750 to 900 mg per week. Yea my liver is going to take its toll but what price perversion. LOL

He's a F-ing idiot for injecting 750 - 900mg per week into his body. He is going to slowly *kill* himself doing this, or at least need a liver transplant. He is injecting testosterone at a rate nearly 10 to 12 times what his body actually requires.

You make the statement that androcur is toxic as well. Yes, it is. But I've never seen anyone come on here and boast about taking *mega* doses of it. TwinEagles stated in this thread that he is taking doses in an amount widely recognizable as abusing testosterone. He's going to end up killing himself (albeit slowly) if he continues. All we're doing is warning him about it.

If you guys want to kill yourselves with mega doses of testosterone outside of a doctors supervision, be my guest. Just don't expect me or any of the others you're calling out here to be supportive of your actions. Also, don't expect us to pay for your liver transplant when you need one.

--LT

Losethem (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:23 pm He's a F-ing idiot for injecting 750 - 900mg per week into his body. He is going to slowly *kill* himself doing this, or at least need a liver transplant. He is injecting testosterone at a rate nearly 10 to 12 times what his body actually requires.

Well, injecting testosterone is not very liver toxic. I don't think it is really processed by the liver when injected. Just guessing but taking 10 times the amount of normal test by injection is probably about the same as taking 1 times the amount orally.

Steroid abuse does cause other issues, like cholesterol, enlarged heart, and high blood pressure being the three most dangerous one.

I've never heard of a pro bodybuilder having trouble with their liver, except those that are also using a lot of orals. Almost all that use heavy injectables also stack some others such as Anavar orals, so it is difficult to really separate out the effects when you hear about a bodybuilder with liver problems.

If you stay below abuse levels, and stick to therapeutic levels of test injection there is no know health effect at all except acceleration (not caus though) of some cancers.

He hasn't, at least from what I have seen, made any remarks about the duration he's planning on continuing that dosage. And I have no idea how 750-900mg/week constitutes

Losethem (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:23 pm 10 to 12 times what his body actually requires.

I know three people (NON bodybuilders) who are on doctor prescribed testosterone, and none of them are on that small a dose of testosterone. If you are suggesting 75mg/wk is enough testosterone to meet the body's requirements, I would be interested in reading the resources you are reading, so please post some links. That MIGHT be enough to prevent bone loss, but it sure wouldn't do much else.

Lastly, the "F-ing idiot" comment is EXACTLY why I posted. I am NOT suggesting that 750-900mg/week is a good idea. I am saying we can do without the needless attitude and grumpiness. If you disagree with what he's doing, go post in another thread... or at least show some damned manners. Plenty of other people expressed countering views without being rude.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:23 pm He's a F-ing idiot for injecting 750 - 900mg per week into his body. He is going to slowly *kill* himself doing this, or at least need a liver transplant. He is injecting testosterone at a rate nearly 10 to 12 times what his body actually requires.

Trying to deny my true feminine self, I began body building and developed quite a physic with the help of some roids. However, being true to myself I could no longer continue in male form and began female HRT, eventually I found a way to get castrated. Now being castrated and continuing with my HRT I find myself working out again and to my surprise I am losing body fat percentages and really like this cut feminine body I'm in now all without a drop of testosterone in me

italmusclebtm (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:27 pm Lastly, the "F-ing idiot" comment is EXACTLY why I posted. I am NOT suggesting that 750-900mg/week is a good idea. I am saying we can do without the needless attitude and grumpiness. If you disagree with what he's doing, go post in another thread... or at least show some damned manners. Plenty of other people expressed countering views without being rude.

When someone is being an f-ing idiot because of what they are doing, I'm going to point it out to them. There is NO DOCTOR that should be prescribing 750-900mg per week. This is the thread in which they are being an idiot, so therefore this is the place to discuss it.

You're ready to challenge me on my statements by making me prove it to you. Since you're so ready to jump on that bandwagon, why don't you provide me with proof that 750-900mg per week is appropriate?

I doubt you'll be able to. However, since you've asked me:

http://www.drugs.com/pro/testosterone-cypionate.html

And I quote directly:

For replacement in the hypogonadal male, 50-400 mg should be administered every two to four weeks.

That is 10mg to 100mg every week, since per week is the basis we're using. The best case scenario on the numbers you provide above is that the testosterone is being abused at nearly 8x the dose, and worst case is 90x. In either case you're wrong, wrong, wrong.

You've not given me proof that you have the education or background to support your claims. I've actually gone to school to learn this stuff. All I've seen thus far is your locker room observations with your other body building friends about what you can and can't do, and that's hardly scientific, lab tested, or medically reviewed to ensure your long term health.

I think you've let your vanity cloud your judgement on what is an appropriate amount of testosterone to be injecting.

As I stated before, if you want to inject that amount and slowly kill yourself

Losethem (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:23 pm , be my guest. Just don't expect me or

the rest of society to pay for your medical care when this becomes an issue for you.

--LT

Losethem (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:23 pm Before you start telling the rest of us how intolerant we are and that we're not allowing objective discussions, you need to go back and read the thread and figure out why we are making these comments. Here is what TwinEagles posted back there:

He's a F-ing idiot for injecting 750 - 900mg per week into his body. He is going to slowly *kill* himself doing this, or at least need a liver transplant. He is injecting testosterone at a rate nearly 10 to 12 times what his body actually requires.

You make the statement that androcur is toxic as well. Yes, it is. But I've never seen anyone come on here and boast about taking *mega* doses of it. TwinEagles stated in this thread that he is taking doses in an amount widely recognizable as abusing testosterone. He's going to end up killing himself (albeit slowly) if he continues. All we're doing is warning him about it.

If you guys want to kill yourselves with mega doses of testosterone outside of a doctors supervision, be my guest. Just don't expect me or any of the others you're calling out here to be supportive of your actions. Also, don't expect us to pay for your liver transplant when you need one.

--LT

I am also a body builder and I am currently on 1 gram of test a week (2.5cc @ 400 mg/cc). There is no evidence that injectable test is dangerous, although I would run from the orals. I have been cycling for 3 years now and I get the liver enzymes checked and each time they are fine. The other issue is with cholesterol, and mine is always less than 200. My doctor is well aware of what I am doing and deals with it (frowning, but not warning me of imminent death). As far as the side effects, I have never really had much...little to no ball shrinkage, never acne, and only rarely had roid rage (once), although I am sure that I am sterile at the moment. While the injectables are safe, the orals will cause liver failure, especially oral trenbolene, if used long enough. Its hysterical disinformation like this that makes those of us who juice outlaws when in reality we are your neighbors, friends, or even relatives.