Thanks for the post. I was wondering about adding E but did not wont to feminize to much. I already have small breasts from going without T for so long and don't want to get much bigger or it will be a problem to hide.

Valid concern; if you already have some gynecomastia just from going without T, it would certainly grow a lot under E medication. I had no development of breast tissue or fat there whatsoever for one year after orchidectomy, and only slight puffiness while taking E+T in low doses - but a rapid growth while on E only.

But, as I learned, having breasts is not a big deal; you get used to it quite fast, and most people just don´t care about details of your looks. The positive effects of E are well worth it, and meanwhile I even like the androgyny a lot. But this of course depends a lot on self-image and social environment.

@bestofboth: If you don't mind my asking, why did you have the orchiectomy in the first place?

Although I´m not a transgender person, I was very unhappy with most of the effects testosterone had on me. Orchidectomy was the surest way to get rid of them. Just as simple

Batman (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:40 am I was emailing with someone who was telling me that they take BOTH E & T.

Reasoning being that T helps with keeping strength up and any excess converts to E anyways. The E of course would feminize the body.

I know the steroid/testosterone abusers can grow manboobs/breasts as can men on TRT. The person claims that because they are similar hormones they aren't in conflict.

This just seems counter to everything I've learned about hormones. I mean wouldn't this be a mindfreak somehow?

Anyone???

The person explained it wrong. The reason testosterone abusers get breasts is because when your body thinks it has too much testosterone it converts it (called aromatization) into estrogen. So your estrogen levels actually go up and things like breast development happen.

All people normally have both test and estrogen. Men get their estrogen from the aromatization of excess testosterone and women get their testosterone from their adrenal glands (men get a bit from there too, and this is why some castrated guys still have some testosterone).

It is sort of okay to take both T and E but I don't really see a purpose in it. If you want to maximize the effects of testosterone (i.e. body building) then you take T and anti-E, and if you want to maximize the effects of estrogen you take E and anti-T. If you want to be eunuch, then you want both T and E to be quite low but not zero since they also affect bone health and some mood functions. How you get to a low but moderate level depends on your situation, but an orchiectomy with mild HRT is probably the way to get the most control.

Note also that extra E can be dangerous. E has blood clotting effects, and in fact there are horror stories of when they were developing birth control they were testing it on poor women in Mexico and Central America and they were dying in huge numbers due to too much E causing strokes.

Also note that some SERM anti-E actually mimic E for bone density purposes while not causing breast development. I actually take Ralista (Raloxifene) daily and it works really well -- it makes your body look really good (lean, muscular) but bone density is fine. I'm not eunuch though, but I suspect that orchiectomy plus Ralista would be a good combo.

Ultimately we're trying to achieve unusual effects and each of us is in a different situation with different goals, so you have to experiment on what works for you. Hopefully we can all be safe while doing this.

What does the Ralista do besides help bone density? Does it also supply estrogen? I am looking for something besides T for bone density and energy but don/t want to feminize.

feedback (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:41 pm What does the Ralista do besides help bone density? Does it also supply estrogen? I am looking for something besides T for bone density and energy but don/t want to feminize.

Ralista is perfect for this. It is a selective estrogen binder, so it does the good stuff like bone density but none of the bad stuff (blocks estrogen for breast development, fat redistribution, etc.) If a guy takes it, his testosterone levels will actually increase (I think because the aromatization is blocked due to the Ralista mimicking estrogen). Ralista is a modern version of the similar Tamoxifen. Both are used by bodybuilders to counteract the gynomastia and other feminization caused by aromaztization. I have taken both for over 10 years and it has made me really lean, muscular, and strong. I would highly recommend it to any guy with a soft body. I box, can bench 310lbs, etc.

Theoretically Ralista can stress your liver, but I just get ultrasounds every couple years. I also refrain from anything else that stresses the liver (don't drink much, etc.)

Don't be scared by the listed side effects of Ralista because Ralista is intended for women with cancer -- it is a chemical castration drug for women. But men won't experience the hot flashes, loss of libido, etc. The stroke risk doesn't really apply to men either because the stroke risk is due to women having both estrogen and an estrogen-mimic in their system, whereas men will just have an estrogen mimic at levels less than women's normal estrogen levels. (High estrogen causes stroke risk.)

It is quite easy to get from overseas pharmacies. It is not a controlled substance except in the general sense that it is a medicine. It is not like trying to order steroids or something. I get mine from xlpharmacy and have never had a problem. It is also not a drug that is commonly counterfeited, so I'm pretty sure I'm getting legit stuff. It is also pretty inexpensive, or at least I think it is worth it.

The most interesting thing is that it actually gets rid of my desires for castration! I have been plagued by extreme castration desire since an early age, and have been hospitalized numerous times and have lots of genital injuries and permanent damage. However, when I take Ralista those urges go away. I think somehow estrogen is related to my castration desire. The only way I can explain it is that without Ralista I feel a type of horniness that is frustrating (leading to desire to get relief by castration) but on Ralista I still feel horny but it feels nice. I feel comfortable in my manliness rather than resenting it. It is hard to explain, but I think it makes me feel more like what a normal guy feels like -- cause I've always wondered how other guys can also be so horny but not be frustrated by it.

Thank you for the information. I will look into it more.