little boy castration

[Paolo]

I think that the issue of HRT is mainly due to convention. After all, by the freshman or sophomore years in school, people are going to start noticing that little Billy's voice hasn't changed and that he isn't shaving yet or that he still looks like he's 10 and not 15 or 16.

I think it would be very humiliating for a boy to be hypogonadic, or even castrated, and have to shower or take physical education classes with his peers who would be far more developed than he is. He would, no doubt, be an object of ridicule and be miserable.

Personally, I recall being the most under-developed boy in the showers, being made fun of, not shaving until I was 17, little to no muscle mass, and I never had much HRT ... although I am 99% sure I had SOME during my teen years. No one needs THAT many tetanus boosters when you're not cut open!

One advantage is that I have arms that can reach damn nigh anything, though.

That, and the medical community seems to have this issue with "manhood." Preserve it at all costs. Doctors are even loathe to admit that things can go wrong "down there" at any age. HRT would restore and insure little Billy's maleness, thus keeping him in the "norm". Therefore, little Billy now gets HRT and probably prostheses as well, whether he wants them or not.

Of course, this now brings us back to the issue of

"The Evangelical Church of the Lambs of Christ

" post that Jesus A. mentioned. When is the boy old enough, or should the parents wait, for him to understand whether to undergo puberty/implants or not?

After all, he's a boy ... he should look and act like one, right?! (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

[JesusA (imported)]

happousai,

You’re absolutely right about the reason for administering HRT to children who have non-functioning testicles or ovaries. There is the widespread medical belief that sex and gender properly comes in only two flavors: heterosexual male and heterosexual female. Anything that doesn’t fit at one end of the spectrum or the other is, by definition, pathological and needs to be “cured.” Realizing that there are valid alternative sexes and genders is still not a part of most persons’ worldview. Deciding what is in the best interests of a child of ambiguous sex or gender will, however, continue to be done by adults - parents and medical personnel primarily, though the legal profession would like a hand in it too. Hopefully, they will be better informed than has been true in the past and will make more carefully considered decisions.

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http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2002/

They estimate that a minimum of 700,000 persons are trafficed across international borders every year. Mostly women and children for sexual exploitation. Download the pdf version, as it is 118 pages of text for the full report.

The Time Magazine site has a series of articles on child slavery around the world that can be found at

http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/ ... cover.html

[A-1 (imported)]

...hormonal abnormalities today in young boys are treated with male hormone. It is the purpose of such treatments to make them like everyone else. This is not good or bad. It is just the way that the world is now.

So, this being the case, it is impossible to have a Castrati singer today. Not even a natural one. Clearly, in any sense of morality the end could never, ever, justify the means.

As has been pointed out very eloquently in other posts by EA members by the time a boy is old enough to decide that he wanted to be castrated or NOT given HRT if he had a congenital abnormality he has had enough change effected upon his body to make it impossible to undo.

This means that the operas that were written especially for the Castrati singer may never again be heard by human ears. It is a foregone conclusion that lamenting this fact is a bit like mouring the death of the dinosaurs. They were creatures of their time. They will NEVER come again.

A Castrati was a singer from a time that we will most probably never see again...unless that Gonex breakout that we have cautioned about here on this board actually happens.

A-1

[Erik (imported)]

If you really need this kind of masturbation material, I suggest you leave the Eunuch Archives, go over to GOOGLE, and type in "Italian Opera castrati" and follow the links.

I am sorry but as an author of many stories for this site I cannot keep my mouth shut on this one. One of the resons EA is here is for stories. Stories are not real, but they do have a real purpose. They let us non-eunuchs and wanna-bes let off built up sexual needs. It is a much better thing to read and/or write a story about having sex with a boy and then castrating him than it is to go out and do it for real.

We are here to enjoy ourselves as well as support each other. What kind of support are you giving by telling someone to leave the ONLY sight that supports them and go to some place that is just taking things from all the newsgroups, just because they wish to know more on the subject we are all into? Just because his tastes are diffrent then yours, does not mean you should slam him.

Your comment was not even directed at me and I felt hurt by your words. I sure hope that deboys is not as hurt as I was and leaves us.

[happousai (imported)]

>

Here on the Archive, Charlieje's "Andy" and Paolo's "For

> Your Own Good" are two examples of powerful stories

> that center on the castration of children.

I read "Andy" today; I found it to be very interesting. The character "Charlie" in that story is very lovable. I feel kind of disappointed that he elected to go with HRT in the end, though.

[happousai (imported)]

One problem that I have with castratos (only referring to the singers in Italy from centuries ago), is how they were apparently treated as objects, only worth the music they could produce.

The kind of home environment that Charlie from the story "Andy" had seems like it would be perfect for a eunuch boy to thrive in, though. His parents cared very much for him, and just wanted the best for him and would be happy if he was happy. Whenever doctors were involved, they made sure that he was informed exactly what was going on, and got to make decisions about what would happen to his own body.

It seems that the worst social embarassments that a eunuch boy would suffer would happen in high school. But, parents who take a proactive stance in the boy's life may well have him home-schooled, so that there would be no problem. (I myself don't even know what high school shower rooms are like, because I never went to a high school.)

BTW, going off on a tangent, is it possible for a pre-pubescent boy to get testicular cancer? This is one case where the medical establishment in civilized countries would not only castrate the boy, but they would also not give HRT either!

A-10: You say that castratos will "NEVER come again". Wouldn't it be plausible that there exists a few out there, out of all the billions of people in the world? It seems tha

t the late Brazilian countertenor Paolo Abel do Nascimento and

/or the Ukrainian countertenor Oleg Riabets (mentioned above) could have had untreated hypogonadism, for example.

[Mac (imported)]

Personally, I recall being the most under-developed boy in the showers, being made fun of ... That, and the medical community seems to have this issue with "manhood." Preserve it at all costs. Doctors are even loathe to admit that things can go wrong "down there" at any age. ... Therefore, little Billy now gets HRT and probably prostheses as well, whether he wants them or not. After all, he's a boy ... he should look and act like one, right?! (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

I was also picked on for not being as masculine as some of the boys. My parents would never have allowed me to exhibit any feminine like traits. Why does society insist that boys should be more rough and tough than girls?

We would have less violance and crime in the world if boys were raised to be more gentle and caring "Feminine" Men and women would then view each other more as equal and there would be less sexual tension and fewer sex crimes.

The human race is the only species where the male is not the colorful and flamboyant one. Even more so for the Western World. What is wrong with boys and men wearing colorgul clothing, bold prints, delicate and lacy items; even skirts and dresses? Why should women and girls have all the freedom to dress any way they desire while men and boys are restricted to certain styles, colors and patterns?

Women sports reporters have even gained the right to enter men's locker rooms for interviews after sports events. However, men reporters are still banned from women's locker rooms.

I could rant all day about the inequities between the female and male in society, but I will leave some for future posts.

:realpisse :realpisse :realpisse :realpisse

[happousai (imported)]

Say me ,please, about of advantage and disadvantage

prepubertate boy's castration.

What is best age for this operation?

Sorry my poor english.

In an attempt to bring some discussion into this thread that actually answers the poster's original question...

I just remembered a website I read once about castrating cattle. They advise to wait until the cattle is 1 (or was it 2?) years old before castrating it. This way, its testicles will produce testosterone in its younger years, which helps it grow better than it would have if it was castrated at birth.

I'm guessing the optimum time for castration may be just before puberty starts. But if you actually do this to a boy (I'm guessing he would be 10 years old at the time), please:

- Provide him an exceptional education. He can be at least a few grade levels higher than normal by that age if you home-school him, use tutors, etc. since there will not be class time wasted on making other students understand things that he already understands. Encourage him to think for himself about things. Make him as knowledgable as possible about things in general, and about the advantages and disadvantages of being castrated. Castration will affect the rest of his life, and since prepubescent castration is not possible when he's 18, you'll have to help him to become mature when he's 10 so that he knows what he's getting into. If, after weighing the advantages and disadvantages, he decides not to be castrated, then respect that decision.

- Be actively involved in his life. Always have at least one parent present to do things with him. Don't just send him off to daycare and expect him to amuse himself. Know your son well.

- If you do get him castrated, do so in a safe manner. And don't get yourself arrested; if you've been providing him a great education and spending a lot of quality time with him as suggested above, the best place for him to live would be in your care, not in some understaffed group home for children. Our society's laws are not always understanding about such "deviant" behaviors.

- Don't send him to a normal public high school after he's been castrated; he'll just be ridiculed and be miserable for looking different. Use some sort of alternative education method, such as home schooling, or a special school for gifted kids (and he will be gifted if you've been accelerating his education as before).

[JesusA (imported)]

happousai,

I have a very hard time believing your recent post. What deboys proposed is illegal in every jurisdiction in the known world. We've had long discussions and debates about it on the Archive and essentially EVERY poster agreed that the castration of a boy before the age of adulthood (when he can make his own informed decision) is unethical and just plain WRONG! Several regular members of the Archive have argued that the minimum age ought to be as high as 26, not the legal 18 in most western jurisdictions. This is a permanent and IRREVERSIBLE action with serious consequences.

From your other posts, I know that you normally take a much more Libertarian and responsible stance and this post is completely inconsistent with the philosophy you've expressed elsewhere.

I think most of us who have posted on this thread have tried to take the original post seriously, but also to point out (gently) how wrong-headed it is.

Stop. Think about what you wrote. I hope that you'll want to take a very different position once you do. I find the thought that someone might actually castrate a child for other than absolutely necessary medical reason to be frightening.

Jesus

[Paolo]

I have to agree with Jesus on this one.

While Happ's post does concur with the topic of the thread, it's just not feasable to even think that this is happening.

However, I do find the list of concerns over a castrated boy a bit disconcerting, as if someone actually believes that is happening. While these ARE valid issues for raising a boy - I know, I'm involved with 5 of them - thinking in this tone about the castration of minors is something that belongs in fantasy or a fictional story. The world we live in today isn't 16-17th century Italy, after all.

Even if one does find oneself with a little eunuch - be it via injury or disease - we're still back at the HRT/implants issue.

We don't live in a world where we can just have a boy castrated as nonchalantly as removing his tonsils/adenoids or appendix. Even those are not done as 'maintenance' surgeries. Circumcision is about the only such operation, routine, and even that is falling by the wayside.