IE, gives us the voice of reason.

River

I don't know how to solve terrorist problem. It is not possible to screen everything, everybody, everywhere. Usually security services keep eye on probable sources of problems in orer to prevent anything before it could reach any dangerous level. Nice and quiet.

Terrorist usually have demands of some sorts. Or some higher moral mission what for they do what they do. The very essential thing that motivates them to kill and give up their lives.

This time I haven't heard any such statements yet. Perhaps it was a lone terrorist but I doubt. Missing message worries me most.

Yesturday I watched Russian TV news. There was a story about people who were searching for their relative who went missing in the explosion. After 2 days they finally find him in the morgue. The point of the story was that security measures had been raised to ridiculous levels preventing people from searching for their relatives. Access to hospitals was prevented by security personnell - they asked for permit and didn't allow to film anything. Typical reaction of people in fear. Not only that single policeman but also his bosses must have been in fear who gave such ridiculous orders.

Then there was president Medvedev with his sobordinates quietly listening him. Medvedev looked very allmighty, angry, harsh and vengetul. He just fired some high ranking persons not explaining what was their wrongdoing. He also asked from his subordinates to "shake" transportation milita. What does it mean - this "shaking"? Random fireing of some people? For me at least it seemed so.

I wonder, how could transportation militia have prevented this explosion? By checking everybody everywhere?

Be more careful before you sign anything unconditionally!

PS. Mr. Putin isn't a president right now, he is only a prime minister, but it allways confuses me too. It seems like Putin still has all the power.

Just a side remark,

I remember that several years ago there was a period in Israel when every week or two one bus full of passengers was blown up by suicide terrorists. That seemed never to end, but somehow bomb attacs on Israel are much rarer now. I can't even remember when last bomb exploded there.

What was the reason for such a dramatic reduction in number of attacks? Anybody knows?

I think you will find that Israel went on a terrorist attack of there own, slap them back and hard, the world scorned Israel, there enemy's pointed the finger but Israel did not back down, no more terrorist attacks.

Have you ever looked at a world map, then look at the middle east, then look for Israel, this is a very tiny country that carries a big big stick.

River

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:30 pm Russian style is to take it out on innocents.

Such as common Chechnyan persons in Chechnya.

Moi

Can we truly expect Russians not to act like Russians.

Whether under the Czar, Soviets or Putin.

I hear now that he fired the police chief. Whose problem did THAT solve?

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:56 am I think you will find that Israel went on a terrorist attack of there own, slap them back and hard, the world scorned Israel, there enemy's pointed the finger but Israel did not back down, no more terrorist attacks.

Have you ever looked at a world map, then look at the middle east, then look for Israel, this is a very tiny country that carries a big big stick.

River

I am well aware of Israel geografical position and size.

I found an interesting article on Israel terrorist countermeasures:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... liger.html

As I suspected there is no single straight solution for terrorism. Remedies depend on very causes of terrorism. Or whether terrorism is supported by wider masses or even states. There are various extremists and fanatics who use terrorism as a method. But sometimes terrorism could be as a last resort weapon if nothing else works. I couldn't imagine how one could be so desperate!

This bus bombing era I mentioned earlier was called "second intifada".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada

To be short, it started because Oslo peace process failed.

Intifada ended because Yasser Arafat died, that created much fight for power between Palestinians themselves and because Israel disengaged unilaterally from Gaza strip which is considered as official end of second intifada.

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Israel about second intifada:

The second intifada, a much more intensive campaign initiated by the Palestinians in October 2000, reintroduced the tactic of suicide attacks. More than 140 such operations were perpetrated by the different terrorist groups, by Hamas and the PIJ until 2002, and then also by secular groups such as Fatah and its affiliates. Because the territories were already partially under the control of the PNA, Israelis returned to the same dynamic that had characterized their response to external terrorism. Specifically, there was a relatively long period during which raids against the Palestinian infrastructure in the West Bank were carried out and, later, after these proved ineffective, a major military operation termed “Defensive Shield” was launched.

In addition to numerous strikes on targets in the territories, the IDF targeted and killed operatives and leaders of the Palestinian groups. Between November 2000 and October 2004, Israeli forces assassinated more than 180 Palestinian operatives. [51] Israel also reintroduced punitive measures such as house demolitions and continued to use administrative detentions. More than 2,600 Palestinians were put under administrative detentions and 664 houses were demolished during this period.

Operationally speaking, the Israeli offensive response led to a decline in the number of suicide attacks, although not of Palestinian terrorism, forcing both PIJ and Hamas to shift their efforts to initiating rocket and mortar attacks instead of suicide bombings. As to whether “Operation Defensive Shield” and the ongoing targeted assassinations were instrumental in the internal political power of the fundamentalist Palestinian groups - as reflected in Hamas’s victory in the 2006 elections conducted in the PNA - there are conflicting opinions. While some argue that the strengthening of Hamas was mainly a result of growing corruption among Fatah leadership, others have found an association between the resulting escalation of the violence and the growing popularity of the fundamentalist organizations as fewer and fewer Palestinians were willing to adhere to the peace process.

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To be short, security measures will reduce terrorism but not eliminate it.

did you hear about the terrorist who got 3rd degree burns on his lips trying to blow up a bus...

erikboy (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:18 am Then there was president Medvedev with his sobordinates quietly listening him. Medvedev looked very allmighty, angry, harsh and vengetul. He just fired some high ranking persons not explaining what was their wrongdoing. He also asked from his subordinates to "shake" transportation milita. What does it mean - this "shaking"? Random fireing of some people? For me at least it seemed so.

That reminds me of one quote:

In the Navy any venture is always divided into four stages:

first - intimidation,

second - obfuscation,

third - punishing the innocent,

fourth - awarding not involved.

(Pokrovskiy. "72 meters" )

erikboy (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:18 am PS. Mr. Putin isn't a president right now, he is only a prime minister, but it allways confuses me too. It seems like Putin still has all the power.

There was a joke about Medvedev being Putin's avatar

Thanks my friend, its always good to hear another view from the other side of the world.

You know we are more alike then different.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:28 pm Thanks my friend, its always good to hear another view from the other side of the world.

You know we are more alike then different.

River

Amen to that!