bobover3 (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:37 am Funny that all those hate-mongers missed the truth about us gays: we turn into wolves in the light of the full moon, and seek to violate the rectums of church-going teen boys. I'd have told them, but no one asked.

We straights turn into wolves too and violate bums of college girls.

The Bible has 6 admonitions to homosexuals and 362 admonitions to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. Its just that they need more supervision. - the comedian Lynn Lavner

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bobover3 (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:38 am Hmmm. Church-going teen boys. Young cock. That DOES sound like a life style. I'm signing up.

This really cracked me up!

An interesting post by you Morganster (who must be from the rap world and is keeping it real). I know very little about the Bible, so thanks for your thoughts on the subject. Nice follow up from you too Bobover3.

I just had a quick skim through the actual article and I think that the only claim by anti-gays that has any credibility is myth number 7. I reckon that the military could be weakened slightly if it was filled with gay men, simply because of the distraction factor. I tried to imagine myself in the trenches with a sweaty Lara Croft and Catwoman, and didn't see myself as having my mind on the opposition, quite as much as I should do!

bobover3 (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:38 am Morganster, I don't know the bible well enough to say if you're right, but you make a persuasive case.

However, I've got to point out that all religions are essentially biased, because they each claim to possess a divine revelation which is uniquely true and which is greater than any other truth. No one who dissents from this "spiritual" arrogance can sincerely claim to be among the devout of a religion.

Respect for other faiths is part of contemporary humanism, and runs counter to the creed of all religions. That many religious professionals now profess tolerance only shows that humanism outranks religion among their values.

The faithful may, at best, pity others for their alienation from god(s) and for their coming damnation. It would be nice if Christians, Jews, and Muslims accepted those of their faith who are gay. It would be nicer still if they accepted the majority of the human race who are not of their faith. But that would mean giving up the "spiritual" certainty which is among the chief consolations of religion.

The problem with tossing religion overboard totally is that we have been living with it, and arguably unable to live without it, for most of our existence as a species. We have science now to answer most...well, many....of the mysteries of our world, but that's only in the last four or five hundred years. The human race is a million years old, give or take a few hundred thousand, and we'd have gone crazy if we hadn't had religion for most of that time.

You might say, 'well, we don't need it anymore, so let's get rid of it.' But the problem with that, as I see it, is that we evolved into the species we are now with it, so it's a part of our basic mentality, whether we like it or not.

That's why I think it is important to 'correct the religious record' where it is clearly wrong. Most people are going to continue to be religious, like it or not, so the thing to do is to demystify the totally egregious misconceptions embedded in religion - like the sinfulness of homosexuality - so we can continue to live with each other, religious or otherwise.

You're probably right. What I don't understand is why people can't just say "I don't understand." Filling in the blanks with invented myths doesn't help. But then most people seem to think that it does. A pity.

morganster (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:35 pm The stuff in Leviticus was guidelines for Jewish Priests not lay persons (no more than chastity for Catholic Priests applies to lay Catholics).

Not entirely true, that entire section deals with the prohibition of any act that will not result in procreation and did indeed apply to lay persons as well as the priesthood.

These acts, including but not limited to masterbation, same gender sexual relations and eating any animal that was deemed "unclean" meaning"unhealthy" such as pork which wallows in its own filth and shellfish most of which are bottom feeders, again the filth issue, related to creating a new generation.

We must remember the time frame, the Jews were just admonished for worshipping the golden calf and therefore as punishment the existing generation would not be allowed to set foot in the promised land. Therefore, any act that did not result in procreation was prohibited. A new generation had be born and reared to enter the promised land.

JesseJames is right. I have a copy of the Shulchan Aruch, the Jewish Code of Law, and all the prohibitions are spelled out there.

I recently joined the Unitarian Universalist Church...A very acceptant (religion?). A religion comprised of many and just about any, religion...Very tolerant of lifestyles...I'm an atheist, and fit right in...Try it...

dragonfly

JessJames1968 (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:50 pm Not entirely true, that entire section deals with the prohibition of any act that will not result in procreation and did indeed apply to lay persons as well as the priesthood.

These acts, including but not limited to masterbation, same gender sexual relations and eating any animal that was deemed "unclean" meaning"unhealthy" such as pork which wallows in its own filth and shellfish most of which are bottom feeders, again the filth issue, related to creating a new generation.

We must remember the time frame, the Jews were just admonished for worshipping the golden calf and therefore as punishment the existing generation would not be allowed to set foot in the promised land. Therefore, any act that did not result in procreation was prohibited. A new generation had be born and reared to enter the promised land.

Interesting about the bottom feeders being unacceptable to Jewish diet...What about carp...a bottom feeder if there ever was one..It's a staple of Jewish foodstuffs..All this crapola about pigs being filthy animals...I wonder if any of these folks ever really studied pigs...Given a chance, they shit in the opposite corner of their pen from where they eat, and sleep in the other two corners...They're actually the cleanest of farmyard animals...and are very discerning of the food they eat..It is almost impossible to poison a pig...As I understand it, they are also very intelligent...about the equal of dogs...I sometimes cringe when I see how they are raised and slaughtered...

Pass the porkchops! dragonfly