This is where you really can't "test drive" before hand whether you'll like it or not. Penile inversion really involves removing your penis, the only thing that's inverted is the penile skin. All that's left of the original penis is the outer skin and a small portion of the glans which is supposed to serve as a the clit. I think penile inversion is a misnomer. The corpous cavernosum, penile bulb, prostate, testicles, their all removed as I understand it. That doesn't leave you with much and having an orgasm is then more difficult for most who have this surgery. No, it's not impossible, and some who have this surgery may even be more orgasmic, but that's not true for most. Again, as I've read and as I understand it. Really this surgery is a penectomy with castration, but to call it that, well, might cause some to rethink whether they really want it. At least that's how I see it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think in the way distant future, the best thing that could happen is to body mind transfer. You really switch minds with someone else, essentially switching bodies. That way a man could really become a woman. Lots of movies involve this and I think it will become possible someday. Won't that be a hoot!

Hash (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:55 am This is where you really can't "test drive" before hand whether you'll like it or not. Penile inversion really involves removing your penis, the only thing that's inverted is the penile skin. All that's left of the original penis is the outer skin and a small portion of the glans which is supposed to serve as a the clit. I think penile inversion is a misnomer. The corpous cavernosum, penile bulb, prostate, testicles, their all removed as I understand it. That doesn't leave you with much and having an orgasm is then more difficult for most who have this surgery. No, it's not impossible, and some who have this surgery may even be more orgasmic, but that's not true for most. Again, as I've read and as I understand it. Really this surgery is a penectomy with castration, but to call it that, well, might cause some to rethink whether they really want it. At least that's how I see it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think in the way distant future, the best thing that could happen is to body mind transfer. You really switch minds with someone else, essentially switching bodies. That way a man could really become a woman. Lots of movies involve this and I think it will become possible someday. Won't that be a hoot!

The prostate remains and the nerves remain if the surgeon's any good. Those two things count for a lot, trust me.

Hash (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:55 am This is where you really can't "test drive" before hand whether you'll like it or not. Penile inversion really involves removing your penis, the only thing that's inverted is the penile skin. All that's left of the original penis is the outer skin and a small portion of the glans which is supposed to serve as a the clit. I think penile inversion is a misnomer. The corpous cavernosum, penile bulb, prostate, testicles, their all removed as I understand it. That doesn't leave you with much and having an orgasm is then more difficult for most who have this surgery. No, it's not impossible, and some who have this surgery may even be more orgasmic, but that's not true for most. Again, as I've read and as I understand it. Really this surgery is a penectomy with castration, but to call it that, well, might cause some to rethink whether they really want it. At least that's how I see it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think in the way distant future, the best thing that could happen is to body mind transfer. You really switch minds with someone else, essentially switching bodies. That way a man could really become a woman. Lots of movies involve this and I think it will become possible someday. Won't that be a hoot!

I may remember wrong, but prostate is not removed during SRS. And penile skin retains it's nerves, so it is sensitive. So this is not a "penectomy with castration" .

May be others would clarify that a bit more.

As for switching bodies/minds - just think of possible legal questions/problems. How would you identify who is "inhabiting the body" and prove that? That is just for start.

graylayer02 from your profile info you are a Mangina Man and your and fhunter are correct the prostrate stays for lubrcation purposes, and I have been hearing lately that a very few Dr will place the gonads back into the body to keep them horny all the time (so they want to have more sex).

O.K., I stand corrected, but I'm also still correct. Let's say the prostate and nerves in the skin of the penis remain, is that the penis? No, not really. The penis consists of three main bodies: the two corpus cavenosum's and the corpus spongisium, which surrounds the urethra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_cavernosum_penis These three are what fill with blood (erectile tissue) and make the penis hard. If these are removed in penile inversion, and they are, then essentially that's a penectomy. The skin & nerves, prostrate, and 1/8 inch glans that serves as the clit, are all that remain of original the penis, but really what's inverted is just the skin and nerves, the majority of the penile body is removed. I'm not even sure why the prostate would be kept, to me, that should be removed too. If it isn't then the transwoman still has a bit of male genitalia remaining.

Excerpt from Marci Bowers on why the prostate is not removed: (MTF) Does Dr. Bowers remove the prostate? If this is not a normal procedure what are the reasons for leaving the prostate in?

The prostate shrinks so remarkably on Estrogen that, in my opinion, it does not deserve worry after surgery. I do recommend one PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen) performed one year after surgery. During surgery, we go THROUGH the prostate but do not and cannot remove it. There are many recommendations for post-ops to have their prostates examined (just as some recommend pap smears for MTF's). I believe, both recommendations are odd/alarmist and do not fully account for the physiology of the cancers they are trying to detect. So long as a post-op remains on estrogen, there is very little worry about prostate cancer. If the prostate does need examined, it lies in front of the vagina. Therefore, it should be issued vaginally, not rectally.

From: http://www.transyouth.com/surgery-MTF.pdf

The most common technique for creating a vagina is the penile inversion. In this technique the penis is skinned and the skin is turned inside out to line the walls of the new vagina. In some cases, extra skin is required to make the vagina longer or wider; this is usually taken from the lower abdomen or the scrotal sac. A segment of your large intestine may be used to create the vagina if the penile inversion fails or is not possible (e.g., because your penis was damaged or removed when you were younger). As part of the penile inversion, a small section of the head of the penis – the part that is most sensitive – is used to create a new clitoris. Erectile tissue, which gives the penis the ability to get hard, will be removed so the entrance to the vagina and the clitoris don’t get overly swollen when you get sexually aroused. The tube that carries urine from the bladder to the outside of the body (urethra) is longer in “males” than in “females,” and in a slightly different position. The urethra is shortened and repositioned as part of vaginoplasty. The prostate (which sits at the neck of the bladder, around the urethra) is not removed. The innermost labia (labia minora) are typically made from leftover skin from the penis.

Thought about one more thing, I've often theorized that removing the penile bodies, corpus cavernosums & spongisium, leaving just the penile skin and nerves, might allow one to insert a sanitized silicone dildo into the skin of the penis. I know that you can get rods inserted into each corpus cavernosum if you become impotent, but why couldn't you remove all but the skin and insert one large silicone dildo if you wanted? You might even stretch and elongate the penis. The glans might need to be hollowed to accommodate the dildo glans, but you'd have the nerves and skin to give you sensation. Not sure why this hasn't been tried, because once the rods are inserted into the corpus cavernosums, your penis will never be the same. If the rods are removed, the penis is ruined. I read about a man, maybe on one of these blogs, who got silicone rods inserted, but had problems with them and so he then had them removed. His penis became a limp noodle. He finally decided to get castrated and asked Dr. Kimmel if he could do something with his deadened penis. Dr. Kimmel removed all but the glans of his penis, which was positioned onto the stump at the base of where his penis protruded. It's like an over sized clit now. I think it would have been better to remove the cavernosum's and replace them with a sanitized dildo. You might even choose to replace the dildo for a a larger one if you wanted later on.

I knew a fellow who was paraplegic from L1 or L2 and had rods inserted into his penis. He said that one broke through the skin and he had to pull it out. He also said that with them in, his penis was semi-stiff and not bendable because the rods didn't bend. So it either pointed up his stomach or down his leg. That wasn't very convenient. He also said it never go "rock hard" like a real hardon. Just hard enough to penetrate. I got the distinct feeling that he did more with his fingers and tongue than his penis.

Hash (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:11 am Thought about one more thing, I've often theorized that removing the penile bodies, corpus cavernosums & spongisium, leaving just the penile skin and nerves, might allow one to insert a sanitized silicone dildo into the skin of the penis. I know that you can get rods inserted into each corpus cavernosum if you become impotent, but why couldn't you remove all but the skin and insert one large silicone dildo if you wanted? You might even stretch and elongate the penis. The glans might need to be hollowed to accommodate the dildo glans, but you'd have the nerves and skin to give you sensation. Not sure why this hasn't been tried, because once the rods are inserted into the corpus cavernosums, your penis will never be the same. If the rods are removed, the penis is ruined. I read about a man, maybe on one of these blogs, who got silicone rods inserted, but had problems with them and so he then had them removed. His penis became a limp noodle. He finally decided to get castrated and asked Dr. Kimmel if he could do something with his deadened penis. Dr. Kimmel removed all but the glans of his penis, which was positioned onto the stump at the base of where his penis protruded. It's like an over sized clit now. I think it would have been better to remove the cavernosum's and replace them with a sanitized dildo. You might even choose to replace the dildo for a a larger one if you wanted later on.

You might be referring to me. I had the inflatable implant where the pump is in the scrotum. I had infections or rejections from the pump. I wanted to keep it since I would not longer be able to have an errection if it was removed so I settle for castration and Dr. Spector did mine in 1998. 2003, I started having problems with the implant and had it removed local. Dr. Kimmel removed my scrotum and removed the outter skin shorting my penis.

Okay, but has anyone seen someone get a mangina while still keeping their penis, so they can look more like a hermaphrodite?? Not all vaginoplasty is done by inverting the penis, other tissues have been used. Also the suspensory ligament can be divided to move the penis forward and the corpus cavernosa can be split to give room for a vagina. I think this would be an interesting look. All Male with a twist.