When sex is outlawed only outlaws will have sex.

What bullshit...

As far as I'm concerned, Craigslist should be allowed to host such ads. After all, don't most dailiy newspapers host ads for escorts or similar businesses? (I know the local papers all do.)

Thankfully, I live in Canada, where Craigslist is still free to host adult ads. Now if only I could afford to hire one. Anyone want to donate in the name of 'free speech'?

Slammr (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:44 pm

jab (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:36 pm I'm always nervous at this line of reasoning. It is very similar to the "if even one gay is a child molester, let's outlaw homosexuality to

save the children" logic of Anita Bryant.

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You missed the point completely Freedom of speech is for the people agreed! However when that speech starts to be used for illicit reasons then the government has the right to step in and investigate. This is a kin to someone yelling fire in a movie theater.

The other sound reason for closing this particular side of Craigs list is the potential NO CHECK THAT. The fact that this site was used for prostitution and Pedophiles is reason enough to close it down. I am for legalizing prostitution however, I do not wan't anything to do with Pedophiles .

Now if Craigs list closed the site down to clean out the thinly veiled posting for prostitution and such that's Ok too. But if that particular portal were to open up again then there needs to be some type of monitoring system in place that would disallow any posting that remotely sounds like solicitation.

It's not the prostitution that bothers me on the contrary it's the extremely high potential for Pedophiles to use this site. It's aleady happend

As far as news papers posting personals there are persons that monitor what's being said and again if it appears to be for solicitation the add never gets posted.

Just my thoughts

seriously curious (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:24 am You missed the point completely Freedom of speech is for the people agreed! However when that speech starts to be used for illicit reasons then the government has the right to step in and investigate. This is a kin to someone yelling fire in a movie theater.

The other sound reason for closing this particular side of Craigs list is the potential NO CHECK THAT. The fact that this site was used for prostitution and Pedophiles is reason enough to close it down. I am for legalizing prostitution however, I do not wan't anything to do with Pedophiles .

Who does? I assure you, as someone who was molested as a kid, I have a pretty good understanding of the topic. I do not agree with prison brutalization, letting prisoners beat the shit out of each other and looking the other way, but am happy to report that pedophiles will be assaulted in prison every day they are there. It's a pay-back from other prisoners for the abuse they suffered as kids. I know my position is inconsistent, but I am happy to put pedophiles into that hell-on-earth as a reward for the hell-on-earth they brought to someone else's life.

That said...

I think that we cannot, must not, embrace the notion that any form of communication that is misused or abused should be shut down by the government. Glenn Beck and his bosses/owners are badly abusing the FCC licenses they have, and are destabilizing the politics in the country as a result. Should we jerk Fox's license to operate? (I go back and forth on this, honestly.)

Cell phones - disposable cell phones, I should say - are the means-of-choice for drug dealers and pimps. Should that sort of phone be outlawed?

There are specific examples of things that are outlawed because they exist specifically for circumvention of the law: radar detectors, darkened glass in autos (creates a substantial hazard for police in traffic stops), hollow-point bullets, huge-size slugs to fire out of rifles/guns (beyond a certain size is a war crime).

There are things that are outlawed, even though there might be some good associated with them: you cannot vote for your mother, even though she's infirm and wants to but cannot easily do so. (Don't drill too deep into this, I know about absentee ballots.) You cannot own lock-pick tools, even if you're a curious engineering student, unless you're a professional in the field. (How good would the world be, if you couldn't own a viola unless you were a professional!)

I can understand craigslist deciding that the sex-services section was not easy to control and invited headaches, and needed to go. So long as it was their own decision, and they were not harassed to reach that decision, I'm all for it.

Perhaps Craig has a conscience when he is not drunk on other people's money. It appears that free speech is not the point of this exercise in morality.

Nobody was hurt by this, Escorts can still advertise and Prostitutes should be able to afford their own website.

Those trafficking in children do not deserve to go to jail to be molested.

They may actually survive.

They deserve to be shot on site...

Yorick my freind!

You are once again correct but also incorrect in you assumptions. Granted if Craig's List did what they did out of corporate resposibility then pulling the adult services section was a good thing. However if they shut it down because of intence Government pressure than that is a good thing as well. And here's the why of it.

As a single individual we are powerless to bring enough pressure on a corporation to make changes in how a company does business. (We can't even sue them to affect changes none of us have deep enough pockets for that.) But if we as a nation use Government to affect changes than we are using the biggist hammer around "WE THE POEPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE." Government as is predicated by the Constitution must ensure the safety of its citizens. We must not think of this as Government Pressure rather than think of it as People pressure. and that is exactly what Government of the people is. So if the Government meaning we the people forced Craigs list to shut down the adult services then we as a nation must stand and rejoice at the power of the people.

In as much as I would love to shoot Pedophiles on sight there is that little inconveinent truth know as the 14 Amendment Due proccess and all. However, if there was a police squad dedicated to the nurturing and up keep of Kangaroos then court could be held at the seen etc. etc....

Alas poor Yorick there is a solution to be found in every situation one must simply use the Raisin that lies between the ears and a solution will come to mind. Let's set aside the legal aspects for the moment and just ponder the possibilities.

My worry is this: I just returned from visiting family in Oklahoma.

In the eyes of some of the people there, I'm just as vile as the child-rapist, because I'm gay.

I would draw the line at child-rapists. Yet they, the humble and pious Baptists in Oklahoma, would draw the line to put me in with the pedophiles. And so on.

"Who decides?"

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I fully believe that the Board of Directors either DID or SHOULD HAVE made a quick decision, based on two things: "(1) if this gets us into a liability suit - the issue is not morality, but liability - then we've invited trouble that we did not need to invite. This has lawsuit written all over it, and that guarantees cash drain. (2) public perception on this could dry up our customers, and that would be that."

There are lawsuits worth fighting. Carol Burnett's defamation suit (the Enquirer called her a drunk, and she's suffered from having drunks as parents and decided to slap 'em back) is an example.

But craigslist (which IS a public company, or they would not be talking about Mister-Craig-is-rich in such terms) probably just made an Accounting-with-a-capital-A decision.

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I would suggest that Craig's time is better spent joining craigs-list to the various large-store sites (facebook preferences, everything) and spending cash on programmers, than spending it on lawyers.

That is an unfortunate effect of being gay in a staunch Baptist region, The effects are simular for me being Transgendered. Fortunatly times are a changin as someone once said. there will come a day whaen all souls will be recognised as Gods children. And not some Aboration, First of all there are too many of us to be considered Aborations if we were but a small segment of society say something like 1 in 1 million then we might be able to go there but were not. So take heart Times are a changin

seriously curious (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:23 pm That is an unfortunate effect of being gay in a staunch Baptist region, The effects are simular for me being Transgendered. Fortunatly times are a changin as someone once said. there will come a day whaen all souls will be recognised as Gods children. And not some Aboration, First of all there are too many of us to be considered Aborations if we were but a small segment of society say something like 1 in 1 million then we might be able to go there but were not. So take heart Times are a changin

Paolo does not want us discussing Abortoratons or... whatever that word is... This is despite the fact that the Dove Bastard church and the rest of the funda_MENTAL_ists are the best argument for it known to mankind. :-\

Oh yeah? Well! Did YOU steal my Cadillac? Maybe YOU should hunt for it, then...

Eldorado

Gaily bedight, .............So what does a Gay Bed Light look like? :-\

A gallant knight,

In sunshine and in shadow,

Had journeyed long,

Singing a song,

In search of Eldorado.

But he grew old-

This knight so bold-

And o'er his heart a shadow

Fell as he found

No spot of ground

That looked like Eldorado.

And, as his strength

Failed him at length,

He met a pilgrim shadow-

"Shadow," said he,

"Where can it be-

This land of Eldorado?"

"Over the Mountains

Of the Moon,

Down the Valley of the Shadow,

Ride, boldly ride,"

The shade replied-

"If you seek for Eldorado!"

SO, DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE MAKING A LOW RIDER OUT OF IT AT SOME CHOP SHOP?

What???????