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Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:25 pm
by moi621 (imported)
It is about being in a neighborhood of less then five hundred homes,

most Roman Catholic who believe,

the "truth" is a majority decision and not

"the truth".

Complete with parent sponsored vandalism, hooliganism if not gangs.

Evil has become a lost concept.

Everything is okay, among themselves.

I'm going into my shell and closing the door in this 'hood.

:-\

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:14 am
by Batman (imported)
You could always move...maybe a nice Jewish neighborhood? :)

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:25 am
by bobover3 (imported)
Or, if this were a Charles Bronson movie, you could get a bazooka. But be sure to use it in a kind, loving, and good spirit.

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:34 am
by TheOtherSide (imported)
Sadly I don't think it matters much where you go these days. Most everyone seems to have forgotten common sense, and how to live as a community. It's all "me first," no matter where you look.

Personally, I feel a large part of the blame lies with people's upbringing. Far too much emphasis is placed on "you are special," or "you are important." In the persuit of raising kids without self-esteem issues, everyone has forgotten to teach them that they are part of a larger community, and as such have certain responsibilities within that community.

Too many people are solely concerned with protecting their 'rights', and only in protecting their 'rights.' Why couldn't the founding fathers have come up with a "Bill of Responsibilities" to show the very necessary other side of that equation?

Until the majority of people wake up and realize that things like this work both ways, I quite honestly feel it's the complete and total bastards who will win every time. You only have to look at the Wall Street bailouts to prove it.

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:09 am
by micropenis (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Wed May 12, 2010 12:01 pm Why Bother <sigh> trying to be a good person.

Just look at all the assholes around you.

It's hard enough living with them. If you became one, could you live with yourself?

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:02 pm
by A-1 (imported)
But yet, there IS a point where an individual SHOULD have certain basic rights. Where your rights become overwhelming to the point where YOU take advantage of another's rights, you are oppressing that person.

Does that make sense?

There actually is a point where YOU oppress others. However, there IS a point where YOU become oppressed.

The disagreement comes over where that point is located.

The reason I argue for Wall Street regulation so VEHEMENTLY, is because they crossed that point and this cannot be allowed to happen again.

I am sure that Bobover3 will agree with the reason and am giving, even if he DOES NOT agree that there needs to be a control.

The reason is because it costs too damn much money to fix it AFTER it is done. In addition, the dispute rages because Bobover does NOT think that what's been done will fix it.

Bobover, is this assessment correct, for the most part?

If so can you elaborate?

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:11 am
by A-1 (imported)
bobover3 (imported) wrote: Thu May 13, 2010 12:25 am Or, if this were a Charles Bronson movie, you could get a bazooka. But be sure to use it in a kind, loving, and good spirit.

No need for a Bazooka. Just get one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYwMrsa ... re=related) and learn how to shoot it.

Of course, a sophisticated infra-red scope would be helpful to locate hidden targets.

Note the blood and tissue scatter patterns on the walls behind the targets. I needn't graphically describe what is happening to the bodies that are being hit, do I?

Well, suffice it to say into the wound one could install a small port hole from a sea going vessel.

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:40 pm
by moi621 (imported)
DEPRESSION, y'think ?

It just seems like the stress level is higher and higher to maintain the modal life style of the world.

No job security.

No pensions as will effect the post WW2 generation who will rely on social security unless they really, really planned well or worked for the government.

The winners seem to be the biggest rats around and the looser, the good folk.

Moi

Depressed Populist, y'think?

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:27 am
by Arab Nights (imported)
The posts here touches on several issues.

At one time in my teens, twenties and into my thirties I would have agreed with you. A couple of things have happeed since then. Once is that I totally embarassed myself once giving a briefing. It was so tramatic that it forced me into looking for solutions. I ended up joining Toastmasters. A funny thing happens when you learn better how to communicate with people. I used a corporate downsizing as a time to go a couple of times to a shrink. He had some helpful solutions, but ultimately said that I had aready done 60% of the work.

My first job overseas was a camp job in South America. There were 15 of us in a two bedroom "house." I am a standard issue dour Germanic person. Latinos there have this habit in the morning of individually greeting each person (no matter the personal feelings), patting them on the back and smiling. You know, it doesn't take much of that to drive away my God given dourness.

I could probably go on, but you get the jist. A large part of perception of the world and its people is in the mind of the observer. That can be changed. To a large degree, you have control of your thoughts and your fate.

I feel it is true that there is no job security now. At least in my business, which has always been boom or bust. On all of the personnality tests, I fall right down the middle. I am 50.1% northern German and want to wear a belt AND suspenders to my retirement job as a postal clerk. I am 49.9% Bavarian and want to skydive buck-assed naked. Life in the 60s, 70s and 80s appealed to the 50.1% of me. But that world has gone. There is not a mega-corporation that will hire a person of my age. But I try really hard to keep by technical skills up, make it a point to meet people whom I do not know and always provide value on a timely basis. I have become like the story about the two bulls up on the hill, one old and one young. Looking down at the cows below, the young one says, "Hey, lets run down and fuck a cow." The old one says, "No, lets walk down and fuck them all." Youngsters walk the mountains faster than me. But when I start I know what the finished product will be and I walk directly to the points needed for that final product. In short, I produce a valuable product in shorter time because of my experience. Some people want youth, some value experience. Enough value experience that life is much, much more interesting now with no job security than it was. Skydiving naked is actually kind of exciting.

I realize a big part of that also is the luck of the genetic draw.

Anyway, the long and short of my answer would be that in part it is the inheretance of the person, but a big part is also determined by things that each person can control, including outlook on life.

Re: Loosing Faith in Goodness

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:07 am
by transward (imported)
Arab Nights (imported) wrote: Mon May 17, 2010 4:27 am The posts here touches on several issues.

At one time in my teens, twenties and into my thirties I would have agreed with you. A couple of things have happeed since then. Once is that I totally embarassed myself once giving a briefing. It was so tramatic that it forced me into looking for solutions. I ended up joining Toastmasters. A funny thing happens when you learn better how to communicate with people. I used a corporate downsizing as a time to go a couple of times to a shrink. He had some helpful solutions, but ultimately said that I had aready done 60% of the work.

My first job overseas was a camp job in South America. There were 15 of us in a two bedroom "house." I am a standard issue dour Germanic person. Latinos there have this habit in the morning of individually greeting each person (no matter the personal feelings), patting them on the back and smiling. You know, it doesn't take much of that to drive away my God given dourness.

I could probably go on, but you get the jist. A large part of perception of the world and its people is in the mind of the observer. That can be changed. To a large degree, you have control of your thoughts and your fate.

I feel it is true that there is no job security now. At least in my business, which has always been boom or bust. On all of the personnality tests, I fall right down the middle. I am 50.1% northern German and want to wear a belt AND suspenders to my retirement job as a postal clerk. I am 49.9% Bavarian and want to skydive buck-assed naked. Life in the 60s, 70s and 80s appealed to the 50.1% of me. But that world has gone. There is not a mega-corporation that will hire a person of my age. But I try really hard to keep by technical skills up, make it a point to meet people whom I do not know and always provide value on a timely basis. I have become like the story about the two bulls up on the hill, one old and one young. Looking down at the cows below, the young one says, "Hey, lets run down and fuck a cow." The old one says, "No, lets walk down and fuck them all." Youngsters walk the mountains faster than me. But when I start I know what the finished product will be and I walk directly to the points needed for that final product. In short, I produce a valuable product in shorter time because of my experience. Some people want youth, some value experience. Enough value experience that life is much, much more interesting now with no job security than it was. Skydiving naked is actually kind of exciting.

I realize a big part of that also is the luck of the genetic draw.

Anyway, the long and short of my answer would be that in part it is the inheretance of the person, but a big part is also determined by things that each person can control, including outlook on life.

"People are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. ~Abraham Lincoln" This from a man suffering from depression most of his life.

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