Kilts are Scottish not Irish.

Aren't both, kilts and pipes, Roman?

Question: Who were the Picts?

I only know them from Robert E. Howard.

Moi

I wonder.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:01 pm Aren't both, kilts and pipes, Roman?

Question: Who were the Picts?

I only know them from Robert E. Howard.

Moi

I wonder.

No, Kilts are different than what the Romans wore.

And I keep a box of toothpicts in my kitchen drawer for when I eat fruit with tiny seeds, poppy seed buns and sesame seeds.

In celebration of St.Paddy's Day, I wore orange

moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:01 pm Kilts are Scottish not Irish.

True, the little tartan kilt from the 18th/19th century is most definitely Scottish. But the long kilt (and some shorter versions) were given up by many nations / cultures centuries before. The main longevity of the little kilt is attributed (in several historical books) to the Scottish Regiments within the British Military and to a lesser extent tourism.

Gives me an excuse to wear a skirt, and not look out of place.

x Toni x

PS: The Scots word for kilt derives from the Old Norse Viking word kjalta, from Norse settlers who wore a similar, non-tartan pleated garment.

Toni (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:53 pm Gives me an excuse to wear a skirt, and not look out of place.

x Toni x

Wow! Thanks for the line.

I feel I have to comment on this thread as a fantastic Irish female mind!

I am such a newbie here that I have no stars and unfortunately still have a set of balls! - So apologies in advance.

I can't believe that something which started out as a goodwill message has ended up in a disagreement on a group which is supposed to promote unity or eunuchity as it were

It does not matter if we are Irish, Scottish (well done on the rugby btw!), male, female or whatever - these are just labels!

A kilt is a kilt, a skirt is a skirt, a g-string is a g-string and a well wishing is a well wishing!!!

I hope you all had a wonderful St. Patricks Day (who was a welshman kidnapped as a slave and who returned to spread Christianity after he escaped for a couple of years) and didn't drink too much! (Green beers annoy me also!)

So I propose a St. Eunuch's Day 2nd of May, have a drink in honour of those who have lopped them off and those who are still summoning up the courage to. But don't get too drunk and pass out with the elastrator on!

Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile!

somewhatlighter (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:13 pm So I propose a St. Eunuch's Day 2nd of May, have a drink in honour of those who have lopped them off and those who are still summoning up the courage to. But don't get too drunk and pass out with the elastrator on!

Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile!

Unfortunately neither Origen nor Abelard has been canonized, so there is no patron saint of eunuchs.

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:25 pm Unfortunately neither Origen nor Abelard has been canonized, so there is no patron saint of eunuchs.

St. Ignatius (c. 797–877), Patriarch of Constantinople from July 4, 847 to October 23, 858 and from November 23, 867 to his death on October 23, 877, is probably the best contender to be the patron saint of eunuchs. He is regarded as a saint in both the Eastern and the Western churches.

Ignatius was the younger son of the Emperor Michael I Rangabe. When his father was deposed, both he and his older brother were castrated so that they might never be contenders for the throne. He was 14 at the time.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:01 pm Aren't both, kilts and pipes, Roman?

Question: Who were the Picts?

I only know them from Robert E. Howard.

Moi

I wonder.

Virtually nothing is known of the Picts. They were still extant when Venerable Bede (popularly Baeda Venerabilis but since 1935 Sanctus Baeda) wrote of them. He claims that unlike the Scoti (Irish), the Britons, and the English, the Picts reckoned kin through their maternal line. This feature has long been considered a relic of pre-Indo-European culture but criticisms by Lowie and Ember and Ember of Marx's misuse and misunderstanding of "matriarchy" and matriliny have thrown this idea into disrepute. Cummins argues that the matrilineal succession applied only to the kingship itself and did not pertain to the society. On the other hand, Lowie's observations of the Crow shift to matriliny and Carol Ember's argument that matriliny among competently described groups is not a relic but an innovation associated with warfare would match the association of matriliny among the Picts who were beset on all sides by enemies and carried on long-distance raids from sedentary farming bases as in Ember's model.

The proper names of Pictish leaders are a mishmash of British, Irish and obscure elements. The few inscriptions are not very readable and contain bizarre features like tripled and quadrupled consonants. The published sources are not very reliable as McAlister (the epigrapher) decided he understood Pictish better than the Picts and freely emended the inscriptions to match his own theories.

The best bet seems to be that the Picts probably represented a pre-Indo-European Neolithic population from Iberia, the relics of the megalith builders responsible for Stonehenge and the long barrows of the Wessex culture and the like, increasingly absorbing and influenced by incoming Indo-European elements much as Etruscan reflects the Neolithic Italian populace overrun by Urnfield and Villanovan groups with an Indo-European language. But I could be wrong.

I think I may as well accept Robert E. Howard's description as he was,

somewhat academic and a great historian as evidenced in his stories taking place in our, or his, time. ref. "Worms of the Earth" collection of stories.

Picts seem to enjoy reference but, no one really knows who they were and even the earliest records are not first hand accounts.

Are they?

The Romans described Picts and Scots being north of Hadrian's Wall I believe.

Or was Pict, possibly a derogatory word like, the Viking Skraeling (?),

or the more common, goy and goyim in our times.

And after, long after people try figure out who they were. The Picts I mean.

Moi

strange is as strange does