Women don't rape right? WRONG... And how about these school teachers and the 13 year old boyfriends? Yuck... It it worse when its a male teacher? Well its probably more "gross" but lets be serious. BOTH are wrong. And if you fire one and send the other to jail for 20 years? There is a problem.

People who rape little kids and such? I really don't know. There was a politician who said we should not "murder" killers. For we don't "rape" rapists. So, what is justice? All I know is that when a rapist (or murder) who gets out from jail in some crazy short sentence and does it again? WE are the idiots. We have to decide if we are going to get serious about this or not?

Does castration stop people from doing sexual crimes? Having had low Testosterone I think it does! Is that Justice? A good question. If it protects other people from the criminal doing it again? Its worth serious consideration at least.

About 35 years ago, I went for a job interview. The boss's secretary, a young woman, sat a bit behind him. During the interview, she spread her legs wide and wiggled her all at me. She wore a Mona Lisa smile, but no underwear. The interview was more challenging than most. Should she have been sent to prison for a thousand years? I don't think so. I was entertained, and left with a good story. No one was harmed by her naughty behavior. Yet, had I raised an outcry and called for police, who knows what might have happened.

We're fraught with anxiety about sex, not least because, as a society, we don't agree on what's acceptable. The law takes a puritan view, and punishes things that millions of people do every day, some of them EA members. Many are indignant at almost any expression of sexuality or mention of sex. They're the ones who're outraged to hear someone say "fuck" and make up lists of words that can't be said on TV. ("It's for the children.") Other people routinely engage in illegal acts while being happy and healthy and respected.

For example, a new park opened in Manhattan last year - an old railroad called the High Line was converted into a deluxe park along the west side. A new hotel straddles the park (the Standard Hotel), with the park carving a tunnel through the heart of the hotel. Trendy and affluent young people often perform sex acts in the floor to ceiling windows of the hotel, in full view of the park. This has been widely publicized, written up in the newspapers, etc., and become a minor craze. Crowds gather to watch while people put on impromptu sex shows in the hotel windows. This is illegal, but there've been no arrests. Most people enjoy it. Business is booming at the Standard. Meanwhile, men are still arrested and sent to prison for being flashers. The contradictions and inconsistencies are so common as to defeat moral certainty.

There are of course heinous crimes of sexual violence committed, and these must be deterred. But so long as we as a society are conflicted about standards of sexual behavior, it's hard to avoid injustice.

mrt (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:34 am Women don't rape right? WRONG... And how about these school teachers and the 13 year old boyfriends? Yuck... It it worse when its a male teacher? Well its probably more "gross" but lets be serious. BOTH are wrong. And if you fire one and send the other to jail for 20 years? There is a problem.

People who rape little kids and such? I really don't know. There was a politician who said we should not "murder" killers. For we don't "rape" rapists. So, what is justice? All I know is that when a rapist (or murder) who gets out from jail in some crazy short sentence and does it again? WE are the idiots. We have to decide if we are going to get serious about this or not?

Does castration stop people from doing sexual crimes? Having had low Testosterone I think it does! Is that Justice? A good question. If it protects other people from the criminal doing it again? Its worth serious consideration at least.

Castration and penectomy will prevent male rapists from doing it again. What will stop the women rapists?

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bobover3 (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:12 am We're fraught with anxiety about sex, not least because, as a society, we don't agree on what's acceptable. The law takes a puritan view, and punishes things that millions of people do every day, some of them EA members. Many are indignant at almost any expression of sexuality or mention of sex. They're the ones who're outraged to hear someone say "fuck" and make up lists of words that can't be said on TV. ("It's for the children.") Other people routinely engage in illegal acts while being happy and healthy and respected.

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I remember when you couldn't even say hell or damn on TV. There was never any case of people even using the restroom (without being seen) or just sleeping (no sex) in the same bed.

bobover3 (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:12 am For example, a new park opened in Manhattan last year - an old railroad called the High Line was converted into a deluxe park along the west side. A new hotel straddles the park (the Standard Hotel), with the park carving a tunnel through the heart of the hotel. Trendy and affluent young people often perform sex acts in the floor to ceiling windows of the hotel, in full view of the park. This has been widely publicized, written up in the newspapers, etc., and become a minor craze. Crowds gather to watch while people put on impromptu sex shows in the hotel windows. This is illegal, but there've been no arrests.

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actually in NY the laws are very specific regarding public exposure from with in your home, which includes hotel rooms, you are not required to have window coverings but you also dont have the right to object someone viewing you from a distance greater than 3 feet from your window. and that your unit is not a ground floor or store front unit

so you can have sex or walk around naked or whatever and if people want to watch thats their choice

Mac, remember when married couples on TV were always shown to sleep in separate beds in the same room?

DavidB, it's good to know the attorney for the Standard Hotel is an EA member. So there's a legal loophole. You know that if most people found this objectionable, there'd be civil suits and the hotel would be boycotted, etc. The behavior would soon end. The point stands that our norms of sexual behavior are in continual flux, and that there's deep disagreement about what should be done. This has been true since at least the 1960s.

DavidB (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:47 am actually in NY the laws are very specific regarding public exposure from with in your home, which includes hotel rooms, you are not required to have window coverings but you also dont have the right to object someone viewing you from a distance greater than 3 feet from your window. and that your unit is not a ground floor or store front unit

so you can have sex or walk around naked or whatever and if people want to watch thats their choice

My feelings exactly; it is my window and if they want to look in it is their problem what they see.

I'm not saying people should be arrested. Just the opposite. I'm saying that arresting people for sexual behavior supposes the existence of universal rules for what's acceptable and what's not. Most people have their own rules, but right down the road there'll be others who feel the opposite. I mentioned the hotel as an example of behavior that would be contemned by millions of people that is nonetheless accepted and even popular *within the right social context.* The legal point evades the issue. It's illegal and considered deplorable for me to have sex in the park. Standing in a second floor window, 10-15 feet from watchers, may offer a legal dodge, but it's obviously the same behavior. If this tissue-thin distinction is all that separates people from being added to the watch list of sexual offenders, then I question the meaning and usefulness of such lists and of our laws regarding sexual behavior.

If men and women are treated differently by the law, one resolution is to treat women with greater severity. Another, equally effective, is to treat men with the same concern commonly extended to women. I'd prefer the latter. I'm a child of the "sexual revolution," and I'm not afraid of sex and don't think it harms anyone, unless it's intended to harm.

Violence and cruelty are always wrong. Wrapping them in sex does not mitigate that harm, nor does it make it worse.