I beg to differ Transward.

True happiness comes from within. Having people with a transfetish is providing a false sort of happiness and validation. In the short run, thats fine, but in the long run, its more likely than not to lead to an inability to genuinely understand what makes us who we are. Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into transgirls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a tgirl has in order to get what he wants sexually.

There are those I call "transpartners", people who date tgirls not because they're tgirls, but because they love someone enough not to care about what genitals they have. If anything, bunching them in with the "admirers" who're there for selfish reasons, is the real slander and the real act of ungenerousity here. I say we actually pay tribute to people who don't objectify us when dating us, and seperate them from the people who selfishly sees us not as human being in their eyes, but just an object for them to get their rocks off.

I can personally say I do not fetishise physical traits in people. The only thing that turns me on is their personality. It's not what they have, its who they are, and if I like them, I can do anything with them regardless of what they have. I am lucky and very proud to say that equally, all the people I've dated have NEVER ever dated me for the fact that I'm trans, but for the fact that as a person, I am smart, capable and likeable.

"get their rocks off?"

So, for gents like me would that be "get their ahh? Silicones off?" Oh that just sounds wrong.

Get their appliances (As in medical appliances) off? Err! Worse if possible...

I know I should have asked for Brass Balls.....

SIGH

lisarenee (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:01 pm It seems that some guys who like Tgirls really like the idea of a girl with the same equipment as they have.

That about sums it up, woman on top, soft shaved legs, but the same equipment flopping around..

punkypink (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:55 am I beg to differ Transward.

True happiness comes from within. Having people with a transfetish is providing a false sort of happiness and validation. In the short run, thats fine, but in the long run, its more likely than not to lead to an inability to genuinely understand what makes us who we are. Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into transgirls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a tgirl has in order to get what he wants sexually.

Ms Pink

You seem to have a clear vision of how you think the world should be, but reality has a nasty habit of refusing to cleave neatly into the divisions you project onto it. I repeat, most human sexual attraction includes some degree of fetishization, whether that attraction is gay straight or trans. The very word fetish really means sexual attraction that many disapprove of. And the behavior you attribute to fetishes, is identical the the behavior of all too many men, regardless of the object of their lust (witness Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Elliot Spitzer, and entirely too many others) . I suggest you read the advice columns in several women's magazines. I could rephrase your line as "

punkypink (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:55 am Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into girls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a girl has in order to get what he wants sexually,

" and it would be equally true. Simply put the incidence of sexual sociopaths is higher among men than women. The despicable behavior has little to do with their fetishes and much to do with their lack of character. And those men who like women with "something extra" have no more reason to apologize for their attraction than any other sexual desire.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:55 am I can personally say I do not fetishise physical traits in people. The only thing that turns me on is their personality. It's not what they have, its who they are, and if I like them, I can do anything with them regardless of what they have. I am lucky and very proud to say that equally, all the people I've dated have NEVER ever dated me for the fact that I'm trans, but for the fact that as a person, I am smart, capable and likeable.

I question this, not because I think you are lying, but because all the evidence points to the fact that who we are attracted to is only slightly subject to conscious control. If we can consciously choose those we are attracted to, then gay people could choose to be attracted to women, and the fundamentalists are right that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Also, it is clear that we are only partly aware of our own motivations, and can only indirectly infer the motivations of another or the reasons another is attracted to you.

Transward

mrt (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:02 pm "get their rocks off?"

So, for gents like me would that be "get their ahh? Silicones off?" Oh that just sounds wrong.

Get their appliances (As in medical appliances) off? Err! Worse if possible...

I know I should have asked for Brass Balls.....

SIGH

Brass is so old hat m'dear. Titanium. Precision machined.

transward (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:52 am Ms Pink

You seem to have a clear vision of how you think the world should be, but reality has a nasty habit of refusing to cleave neatly into the divisions you project onto it. I repeat, most human sexual attraction includes some degree of fetishization, whether that attraction is gay straight or trans. The very word fetish really means sexual attraction that many disapprove of. And the behavior you attribute to fetishes, is identical the the behavior of all too many men, regardless of the object of their lust (witness Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Elliot Spitzer, and entirely too many others) . I suggest you read the advice columns in several women's magazines. I could rephrase your line as "

punkypink (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:55 am Lots of "admirers" are not exactly into girls for altruistic reasons, and will not hesitate to completely destroy however little self-esteem a g

transward (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:52 am irl has in order to get what he wants sexually,

" and it would be equally true. Simply put the incidence of sexual sociopaths is higher among men than women. The despicable behavior has little to do with their fetishes and much to do with their lack of character. And those men who like women with "something extra" have no more reason to apol

ogize for their attraction than any other sexual desire.

Well, the bit about guys who wouldn't hesitate to ruin women's lives for the sake of their own selfish sexual desires is true, sad as it is to say. I don't see why we should condone people who use others for their own selfish reasons. Since this thread touches on admirers, I see no reason to condone their selfishness either.

I actually know guys and girls for that matter, who date people who happen to be TG, rather than specifically go for TG people. They're not a figment of my imagination, and to lump them in with the ones who're just out for quick sexual gratification just seems insulting to them. You're quick to defend trans-fetishists, but I observe that you've strangely not even mentioned or given du

transward (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:52 am e credit to people who're the true heros in a sense. Why?

I question this, not because I think you are lying, but because all the evidence points to the fact that who we are attracted to is only slightly subject to conscious control. If we can consciously choose those we are attracted to, then gay people could choose to be attracted to women, and the fundamentalists are right that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Also, it is clear that we are only partly aware of our own motivations, and can only indirectly infer the motivations of anoth

er or the reasons another is attracted to you.

Transward

Well then, I guess, everybody must be attracted to something physical, and that there exists no person on earth that has little attraction to physical traits and is solely attracted to intellect and personality. Wrong. All my exes, bar the 1st from before I transitioned, are lesbians. One of them in fact, has a dislike for penis. Yet we were together for a year.

You know what? I agree with you that those who we are attracted to is mostly subject to subconscious control, but you seem to think that there is only attraction to physical traits. I, and my exes, are lucky that we are subconsciously attracted to substance and not form, and for us to l

transward (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:52 am ike someone based on physical traits i

s as good as saying homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. WE can't choose either.

In fact, a LARGE proportion of people are attracted a lot more to personality than physical traits, and in the modern world people seem to see that as a bad thing because we're supposed to be "sexually awakened" and all that. We do not apologise for finding it distasteful to be superficial, and we certainly think the basis of attraction and indeed, long term stability should be dependent on substance 1st before form. Form is a nice desert to be enjoyed in the bedroom. Form being the basis of 2 people getting together is a joke and bound to end in tears.

Now, any transperson who wishes to fall into the vicious cycle of letting attraction to form dictate his or her own self-acceptance and validation, feel free to do so. In the end though, if he or she finds that validation and genuine acceptance is never forthcoming, don't say Punky did not dispense any words of genuine wisdom.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:31 am Brass is so old hat m'dear. Titanium. Precision machined.

But with Brass I get sparks flying out my ass! Err I think....

Re another comment I really disagree. I don't think Fetish is a "Must" in a relationship. For some people I'm quite sure this is true but for a large percentage of us its mutual love and respect and a little bit of lust.

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turtle12 (imported) wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:38 pm It boils down to this. Should I have a castration? Should I keep my balls? What meds do I take to make my breasts grow? What would make me the most desirable Tgirl (pussy girl) to guys? I have the very tiny recessed turtle dick and wonder if I should have it removed and have a clit made? Where is the best medical practice to have the type work done that you guys would recommend? Thanks!

To get breast grow you need to change your hormonal balance from a lot of testosterone little estrogen to a lot of estrogen and little testosterone. Some just can take estrogen and get change and others even with castration still will not grow breasts.

If I was a Tgirl, I would be castrated well before SRS.

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lisarenee (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:01 pm I think it very much depends on the individual. There is a "shemale" porn actress named Danielle Foxx who recently had full gender reassignment surgery. Having her penis removed seems to have fostered a lack of interest in many of her fans, and outright disgust anf hostility in others. It seems that some guys who like Tgirls really like the idea of a girl with the same equipment as they have.

I just found this thread. I hope I don't offend anyone, but here's how I feel...

I consider myself a straight guy. I adore women, and men don't appeal to me in the least. T-girls, though, are a special weakness for me. I've always been fascinated by them, and I would love to be with such a girl. Many of them really do appear feminine and passable. (Those that look more like guys in drag don't do it for me. No offense.) There have been quite a few in Transformation magazine over the years that have really gotten me excited. (Kimberly Devine is an all-time fave of mine.) After reading this thread, I found pics of Danielle Foxx, pre- and post-op. She's beautiful now, for sure, but I would have loved to have been with her when she still had her penis. Anyway, point being, if I did have a relationship with a T-girl, I would not want her to give up her male genitals, unless that was her true desire.

stewie69 (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:12 pm Anyway, point being, if I did have a relationship with a T-girl, I would not want her to give up her male genitals, unless that was her true desire.

I agree with stewie.