Ugandan man dies after having genitals cut off

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Saying that crime is caused by testosterone is like saying that men have no control of their minds; that their personalities and decisions are wholly based on chemical make ups. Untrue. No matter how mad you get, you decide (wether you want to admit it or not) wether to pull the trigger or not. Testosterone might help set up the situation where you want to pull the trigger but it's the act of the person, not their bodies, that actually commit the crimes. Male or female, eunuch or pregnant, etc, etc.
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Good point - I remember hearing about a woman who had killed someone and her defense was that she was PMSing at the time and therefore innocent as she was not incontrol of her emotions. I do not recall hearing if there was verdict or what it was or if was even a true case but if women can claim not be rersponisble for their actions due to hormones, then men should be able to as well.

It enfuriates me how our society claims to strive for racial/sexual/religous equality yet we have so many double standards... as if we can make it right by allowing those once opressed to have more than those who oppressed them. As if enslaving the master to the slave undoes the crime. Soon the slave becomes the perpetrator and the master the victim. Then we will have to make things right again by turning the tables again. Then again and again.

The only way to make things right is to learn from the past and make new rules from those lessons and apply them EQUALLY to all so that we start living now how we would want to live in the future.
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SplitDik (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:58 am Seems like a jealous boyfriend did it:

http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/704014

Gruesome murder in Soroti

BY SALUME AMONG

THE Police in Soroti district are investigating the murder of a 28-year-old man whose genitals were cut off by unknown assailants in the wee hours of Wednesday.

The deceased, who was killed at his home, was identified as George William Opolot and was a resident of Adyenyi village in Kadungulu sub-county, Soroti district.

The Police said the assailants found Opolot taking a bath outside his house and blinded him by splashing a red pepper solution into his eyes. They dragged him to his house, where they also blinded his wife with the same solution.

“The assailants then descended on Opolot, cut off his testicles and penis and took them,” said Peter Oduko, the Soroti acting District Police Commander.

It’s believed that Opolot died from injuries. His wife was admitted in Apapai Health Centre III.

The Police have arrested George William Odongo and a woman only identified as Susan to help in investigations.

It seems this thread has veered a bit off topic. Returning to the original post, no one has pointed out the probable motive behind the murder, namely witchcraft. Uganda has a long history of murders committed to get body parts to be used in magic rituals.

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/Afr ... rests.html

"Uganda’s Witchcraft Crackdown Yields Arrests

The arrest of a group of suspected witchdoctors after the ritual murder of a woman in Kampala underscores increased efforts to combat witchcraft-related violence in the region.

Witchdoctors Arrested After Decapitated Woman Found

Ugandan police say that seven suspected witchdoctors have been arrested in connection with the murder of the young woman, whose mutilated body was found in a bush in the capital city of Kampala, according to the BBC.

Police spokeswoman Judith Nabakooba said that one suspect died in police protection on Monday, shortly after a lynch mob tried to kill him.

According to local publication New Vision Online, several of the suspects met the woman at a nightclub, and after she got drunk, they allegedly cut off her head and genitals, and also discarded her legs in a latrine.

A special police unit has been created to address ritual murders and to educate traditional healers and the public. Many people in the region believe that potions made from human body parts are able to bestow luck.

James Onen comments in the local publication the Daily Monitor that discussion of the problem has been misplaced, as it has centered on how to punish perpetrators, instead of examining its root cause—a widespread belief that witchcraft actually works. He points out that the practice is not limited to peasants and uneducated individuals; educated African elites are also believers, including scientists.

“Therefore, the best way of ending this scourge is by eradicating the irrational belief itself—through education and sensitization.”"

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They need to return to

Proper British Colonial Administration !
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Sydion (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:39 pm Saying that crime is caused by testosterone is like saying that men have no control of their minds; that their personalities and decisions are wholly based on chemical make ups. Untrue. No matter how mad you get, you decide (wether you want to admit it or not) wether to pull the trigger or not. Testosterone might help set up the situation where you want to pull the trigger but it's the act of the person, not their bodies, that actually commit the crimes. Male or female, eunuch or pregnant, etc, etc.

Still the vast majority of violence is done by men. I have actually never met any woman who was actually violent (in the way that men are).

Yes, there might be a few women who have killed husbands, but how many men have done the murder-suicide thing with their family this year (dozens I think). How many women have 11 rotting bodies stashed away in their home right now? How many women have driven around sniping at people like the Washington DC Sniper?

I know that as a male, personally the idea of punching someone seems really primal and satisfying. I take boxing as a hobby, carry weapons when I can, etc. My mind enjoys thinking about violence. I don't mean that I'm actually violent, but that contact sports are exciting to me, I prepare myself for self-defense in case I get mugged/attacked, I own weapons, I watch war movies (fiction and documentaries), and so on.

I'm pretty sure that the statistics would show about 100-to-1 ratio of violent males to females. And when the women are violent you find out their reasons are different -- very few are just enjoying the violence or being predatory for its own sake.
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moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:41 pm They need to return to Proper British Colonial Administration !

Hear Hear.

It is, of course, all Uncle Sam's fault for his anti-colonial policies after WWll.

But, alas, I doubt if the British government could afford it any more.

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I'm not into brutality and this had all the ear markings of being excessively brutal. It's one thing to have a castration desire, but it's quite another to take another man's genitals. Whether it's witchcraft or not, the guilty criminal should pay heavily. Not sure what will happen to him, but he deserved to suffer for his crime.
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Someone was asking about being forcibly castrated...it seems that in Uganda the right wing Christians might be strong enough to forcibly castrate anyone they disagree with be concerned and lets hope they never get that much power in America

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Ugandan MPs debate Bill proposing death sentence for gay sex

Tristan McConnell in Nairobi

MPs in Uganda will debate today a Bill that proposes the death sentence for gay sex under certain conditions.

Draft legislation calling for the death sentence for “aggravated homosexuality” was introduced in October by David Bahati, 36, a Christian member of the ruling party. The Bill is being debated despite outrage from gay and human rights activists in Europe and elsewhere. It calls for the death penalty for those having gay sex with anyone under 18, or while infected with HIV/Aids, or with someone who is disabled, or for being “a serial offender”, or while infected with HIV/Aids, or with someone who is disabled, or for being what the Bill terms “a serial offender”. Stating that “same sex attraction is not an innate and immutable characteristic” the Bill proposes life imprisonment for consensual gay sex.

A person convicted of an “attempt to commit homosexuality” would get seven years in jail as would anyone caught “aiding and abetting homosexuality” or promoting it. Failure to report a homosexual act to the authorities within 24-hours would be punished with up to three years in prison. The Bill, which will probably be voted on in the new year, also allows for Ugandans to be tried for having homosexual sex while abroad.

According to documents submitted to Parliament the Bill is aimed at “strengthening the nation’s capacity to deal with emerging internal and external threats to the traditional heterosexual family”.

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In part it also reflects the growing strength and influence of evangelical Christianity in Uganda. Ministers and MPs have lined up to tap into this with increasingly pious pronoucements and policies.

Foreign criticism of the proposed law has been vocal, and donors have threatened to cut aid. Uganda’s Government has so far reacted with a mixture of incredulity and indignation.

“What is all the fuss about?” asked James Nsaba Buturo, the Minister of State for Ethics and Integrity.

Mr Buturo maintained that it was a question of maintaining traditional Christian values as prescribed in the Bible. “You people in the West have no respect whatsoever for our traditional values,” he said.

“I do understand in your case homosexuality is normal but here it is totally repugnant, it is repulsive, it’s not something you would want to do if you have your normal faculties functioning,” he said. “But there you are, in other societies it is different.”

Among ordinary Ugandans support for the Bill is strong, something its supporters are well aware of, and keen to emphasise.

“Homosexuality is not natural and it’s not African,” said Arthur Owori, a 43-year-old technician. “What next? Will people start going with animals?”

Robina Matanda, a 40-year-old businesswoman in Kampala, was adamant that homosexuality must be punished.

“It’s very bad, it’s inhuman, it’s immoral, it’s abusive,” she said. “They should pass the Bill and it should be the death penalty.”

Student Annitah Natukunda, 24, said: “I don’t support the death penalty but I would support castration.”

However, Valentine Kalende, programmes manager at the lesbian and transgender women’s organisation Freedom and Roam Uganda, said that although homosexuality was anathema to the majority of Ugandans there was still hope that the Bill would not be passed.

“The opinions of Ugandans are well known to me, I know most of them are against homosexuality,” she said.

“But when it comes to this Bill that talks of killing gays I don’t believe they will support it.”

Certainly the harsh sentences proposed in the Bill are turning off some voters.

"They don’t need the death penalty,” said John Bosco Nugenyi, a 28-year old accountant, “they need help.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 960920.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 960920.ece)
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