I don't like to say it but I applause him for doing what he felt like he had to do. I wished I had the nerve to do it years ago.

Don't you realize that it's the attitude of people like you that prevents those people from coming here to talk about it? If you'd actually bothered to read my posts you'd know that all the possibilities you raise were accounted for, and for us to silence ourselves out of fear of inspiring others with less good sense than ourselves merely contributes to the invisibility of this group of people as opposed to, say, transsexuals. The only reason I'm posting here at all - it's certainly not for camaraderie with the likes of you - is to inform others of what I know about these issues and to document my own experience as yet another potential tragedy that the medical system has to take responsibility for - and in my case they did, everyone in that hospital was extremely understanding and sympathetic and expressed remorse that I had been failed by the system. I'm aware that in many parts of the United States one could not do what I did, and I made that argument myself. Obviously that's just one instance of the general unfairness of life - which is why I certainly DO count myself lucky (how many times do I need to repeat this?) that I had the good fortune to be able to take that risk of self-assertion and lived through it, transformed. Many other people aren't in a position to even have that chance.

bobbie (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:11 pm I guess I have two words for Ghostautumn IDIOT and Lucky.

Milkman (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:59 am First let me say that I certainly do not want to promote anything that is dangerous or life threatening.

Well you are!!!

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bobbie (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:11 pm quote="Milkman (imported)" time=1256849940]
and and slice method seems to merit further discussion.

This method has been talked about for years. While the slice does make it almost unrecoverable. Assuming the paramedic to not recover the balls. The risks is still very high. Bands slipping off on the way to the hospital. Extremely hard to stop the blood when inside the groin.

Good that he is home already from the hospital. Any idea on the cost of the ER and doctors fees. Would be very interested on the real cost of the castration.

I am assuming that someone was with him during this. Being a part of and assisting in the slice castration can end up charged for practicing surgery. That could end up serving a few years in jail. Some years back that happened to one of the members. After the jail time he was deported.

Agree that many in the site were castrated other then by a doctor. Seems like most do not come back to the archive posting that they are alive. Seems like one guy ended up paying somewhere around $40,000 medical bills. Insurance will not cover. I know many in here that were castrated with
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out doctors. Few ever tell anyone just how and where they were done. Most think it is best that no one knows.

Milkman (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:59 am Apparen

bobbie (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:11 pm tly the main danger is bleeding to death if the bans slip or are not tight enough, a hazard that in no way should be minimized, but what else can go wrong?

Infection

Going in shock, you know when you can pass out. Going in shock can happen even in the hospital. At least there it can be attended to fast.

Medical costs

The hospital visit can be on your medical records.

One then one has been put in a psycho ward.

The the other good on of it being found out. It can end up in the evening news. Your name posted on the internet. Think about the links posted in the past 2 weeks on other threads.

The person helping can be arrested. Even if not his name can be in the same evening news and internet. Once on the internet it is their for ever.

Each of us make the choice of wanting to be castrated. We all do it for different reasons. One has to accept what can happen if something goes wrong. I can already see I will get some hate mail about the posting. Many of them could be in the list of self or assisted castration.

All I am saying is that their some great risks. Making it sound so easy can make some think it is a easy way to be castrated. Their lack of knowledge could be fatal.

There are a lot of valid points here in this thread, but any name-calling is uncalled for.

One might say that what was done was "idiotic".

HOWEVER, we do NOT have all the details, nor do we know the emotions or passion that drove this person to self-castrate, and we are not in a position to judge.

It's just that we really can't recommend this course of action, you see...

It does look like a plan was in place, though. There was intelligence in having it all planned out.

Just like abortions used to be, castration will be (and is) - unless more progress can be made in getting professionals to understand the motives behind the desire.

Well said.

It would be my luck for my balls to slip out of my hand and fall on the floor, and then as I was making my way for the phone to dial 911 I would step on my balls, slip on the floor, fall, hit my head, go unconscious, and bleed to death.

Think I will just go back to Siterone next year, once I can afford it again.

And maybe do more compression clamping and hope that repeated cycles of strangulation will starve the little buggers of the oxygenated blood they need to function properly.

Actually, everyone on this thread is right.

It is idiotic to cut off a major body part. But we also know that at some point, for some people, that is still the lesser of two evils and something they will go ahead and do.

From every prudent point of view, I hope no one ever endangers themself, but I know some will, so best is to mitigate it.

It is very similar to issues like abortions. There are few good reasons to actually have an abortion, but we know women are going to have them anyway whether a safe setting is available or not. So instead of do-it-yourself, hopefully the medical community will realize that the lesser evil is to help it happen safely.

Yep, ghostautumn stupidly put himself in danger, but I don't fault him for it because I understand how he came to that point.

Knowing Bobbie a bit, I think his position is as severe as he came across because he is trying to distance the EA from endorsing this procedure. Kind of like a parent telling an ordinary male teen not to drink before he is 21, but suspecting that his advise may not be totally heeded. But the "official" position has been put out so no one can later come back and say he learned about this technique on the EA so he wanted to try it and then something unanticipated happened.

I also understand Ghostautumn's predicament completely. Are we mice or men- even if some are castrated? When such a simple thing to have done is more difficult now than it has been, you have to explore other alternative ways to accomplish the same end. When the only remaining possibility to get the ball(s) rolling (with some inspiration here from nullorchis) is to get past the critial point yourself. I feel he acted completely rationally from his situation. He evaluated all the options and was left with this and then he further evaluated the risks involved before he proceeded. Desperate men do desperate things! Maybe others would evaluate the risks differently but it only matters here how Ghostautumn weighted things.

If I am not mistaken, Bobbie was castrated in a clean medical situation. I'm sure Ghostautumn would have done the same but that was not readily available to him. But the same medical establishment that wouldn't do a castration is very willing and capable to patch things up once it is necessary. I have no idea what the costs will be for the emergeny treatment but probably not any more than the same hospital would charge for an orchiectomy. Will insurance pay for it? I have no idea. I do know my insurance paid for my bi-lateral orchiectomy last Feb and the hospital, urologist and anestheologist billed them for just over $30K and they settled for about $6K.

I want thank everyone who contributed to this thread... it has been a thoughtful discussion...

feedback (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:25 pm I don't like to say it but I applause him for doing what he felt like he had to do. I wished I had the nerve to do it years ago.

I agree with feedback.

As for sincerity: I take EA members at thier word 99% of the time. In this mostly anonymous forum, there is little or nothing to be gained by lying. I do not doubt he is now a eunuch.

This was an act of desperation, not stupidity. The real villain is the medical establishment that will not provide safe and nonjudgemental services.

I am a wannabe of limited financial means. I am giving serious consideration to the alcohol or saline injection method for myself. There is no blood loss and I understand that it leaves at least some plausible deniability with your doctor/insurance.

I salute ghostautumn for his courage. I congratulate him on survival and pray for a swift recovery.

Ghostautumn: I hope you do not take this the wrong way. I mean it with admiration. Having successful removed yourself from the gene pool in an unusual and creative manner, then surviving to tell the tale, I nominate you for a Darwin Award: Honorable Mention.

micropenis (imported) wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:48 am Having successful removed yourself from the gene pool in an unusual and creative manner, then surviving to tell the tale, I nominate you for a Darwin Award: Honorable Mention.

LOL, thanks, that's really funny!