fhunter wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:12 pm By what sources information I can find, he was treated with estrogen - I do not think that this treatment strongly affects libido.

Valid point, although I suppose it depends on whether we equate 'anti-androgen' with 'pro-oestrogen' drugs.

It appears that Turing was given anti-androgen drugs (probably cyproterone acetate, which apparently was all the rage in Europe then) in order 'to reduce male sexual interest.'

Interestingly, I found: 'cyproterone acetate suppresses production of oestrogen due to its antigonadotrophic effect.' As both men and women produce oestrogen, this would suggest that whatever the normal oestrogen level in Turing's body, it would have been reduced not augmented.

I did a quick scoot around the net to find out a bit more about judicial chemical castration. In all the references I found, it appears that the clear objective of chemical castration when used as a punishment was to reduce libido in a male convicted of a sexual offence (probably best to leave aside the moral discussion about what constitutes a sexual offence - eg Turing).

Thinking about it, it would seem a pretty pointless exercise to give anti-androgen drugs to a man convicted of a sex crime if all it did was make them grow breasts (unless the embarrassment factor alone is considered to be a deterrent).

balcatraz (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:38 am Does anybody know if there has been any research linking the desire for castration/lowered sex-drive with Aspergers and other autism-spectrum disorders?

Good question balcatraz!

When I read about Aspergers it is like 80% is about me. The main difference is the fact that I like to look others in their eyes and read their faces and body language.

I did a test on internet and I had exactly the score of peopl

balcatraz (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:38 am e with Aspergers and other autism-spectrum disorders.

The score is an indication and should not be seen as a diagnosis.

I got diagnosed as an aspie boy in highschool, and it's comforting to know that there could be a biological reason for the fact that I feel no real need for my genitals. I have a large penis, I'm attracted to women but enjoy gay sex, but I've never really felt capable of getting a girlfriend... or wanting to have one. I just wouldn't know what to do. Losing my sex drive seems like a natural and healthy step for someone in my situation

seagull70 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:39 pm Valid point, although I suppose it depends on whether we equate 'anti-androgen' with 'pro-oestrogen' drugs.

It appears that Turing was given anti-androgen drugs (probably cyproterone acetate, which apparently was all the rage in Europe then) in order 'to reduce male sexual interest.'

Thinking about it, it would seem a pretty pointless exercise to give anti-androgen drugs to a man convicted of a sex crime if all it did was make them grow breasts (unless the embarrassment factor alone is considered to be a deterrent).

Cyproterone acetate wasn't introduced until 1964 and Turing's conviction happened in 1952. Oestrogen was the standard way of chemically castrating a man at the time and that's what Turing received. It's still sometimes used in the treatment of prostate cancer, but as previously stated, it leads to gynaecomastia and that's why it's fallen out of favour since then. There is an article here (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article784741.ece) about men who choose different means of reducing their testosterone to deal with prostate cancer.

Peter47-NL (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:06 am Good question balcatraz!

When I read about Aspergers it is like 80% is about me. The main difference is the fact that I like to look others in their eyes and read their faces and body language.

I did a test on internet and I had exactly the score of peopl

balcatraz (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:38 am e with

Peter47-NL (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:06 am Aspergers and other autism-spectrum disorders.

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e is an indication and should not be seen as a diagnosis.

Today I did an Aspergers test again and got the mark 7 on a scale of 0-10. It was an extended and well formulated test and says that with a mark of 6 and more a further Aspergers diagnosis is needed. The test was a fair confrontation with facts and questions, but I wonder what should I do with it?

I have Aspergers and I totally want to kill my sexual drive (I also have pedophilia so its really better for everyone). I was chemically castrated for quite some time but I had to quit for medical reasons. Luckily it seems the Triptoreline drug had permanent effects to my testicles so my testosterone level remains lower than normal and my libido is not as strong as before. But I still wished I could get rid of all my sexual organs... But my psychiatrist is strongly against it.

That following text is for other people reading this.

Aspergers syndrome isn't considered a diagnose anymore. You simply have authistic spectrum disorder. Spectrum is very wide. And "asperger" is just one way how people with their heightened sensitivity percieve surrounding world and react. While most autists tend to switch off too painful inputs, making them look like they ignore everything, then aspergers won't switch off their inputs, insteid they react exactly how normal people would react only remember, autists feel everything in much amplified way and thus reactions are accordingly amplified. Sometimes even a smallest air movement can be unbearably irritating depending on context. That also means, autists (spectrum) can feel things and work intensely with inputs to their brain that remain barely noticeable for normal people. Thus it is no wonder many famous people have had autistm spectrum disorders. Like Albert Einstein, Mozart, Beethoven, Michelangelo Buonarotti etc.

I think that your psychiatrist might be good for helping you to cope with your autism. You should seek for someone else who is more competent with gender dysphoria and sexuality issues. Though your desire for nullo might be linked to your hate of having socially unaxeptable sexual desires. Which regarding your autism spectre could be extremely strong and barely unbearable. Anyway, seek for second opinion.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:25 pm I think that your psychiatrist might be good for helping you to cope with your autism. You should seek for someone else who is more competent with gender dysphoria and sexuality issues. Though your desire for nullo might be linked to your hate of having socially unaxeptable sexual desires. Which regarding your autism spectre could be extremely strong and barely unbearable. Anyway, seek for second opinion.

My psychiatrist is specialized in the treatment of pedophilia. But she only wants to treat it with chemical castration, not surgical. I dont think I will find a psychiatrist that will support me in having me nullified.

Those diagnosed with Aspers probably know better than I, but I have a general point I'd like to make. I have gone thru most of my life thinking a whole bunch of things were either yes or no, 0 or 1, you either have it or you do not. In my last decades I have come to realize that a lot of things from food allergies to mental states, personality traits and psychological conditions are not 0 or 1, they are gradational from 0 to 1 and any individual can be anywhere between 0 and 1. Furthermore, if we were all normal, we would still be living in caves. You have to be a little bit different to see things differently than other people and move the world forward, but not so much that you cannot function in it.

Castration is one of those 0 or 1 things. So what degree of Aspers are you going to commit to something that is all or nothing?

After watching Dumb and Dumber Too I understand some sufferers also have a problem with wiping as well.