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Re: castration without shrink
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:03 am
by raymar2020 (imported)
Gender Dysphoria is a completely reasonable reason to seek castration. Seeing a qualified therapist a few times, and presentling as a sane male who wishes to be rid of a distressing part of their body , to correct their appearance should be easy enough.
The harder part may be a letter from a urologist who would agree that no harm would be done by castration. For that letter, seek out a woamn urologist. They seem to be more sensitive than men.
Raymar
Re: castration without shrink
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:29 am
by leftbehind33 (imported)
Raymar,
Thanks for your reply. I specified "genital dysphoria" rather than "gender dysphoria" because 1) gender dysphoria is probably recognized as a more legitimate reason to part with the testes than simply hating one's genitals and 2) my personal dislike for my testicles is not related to any gender issues. I still want to maintain male role, function, and characteristics; I just want my testosterone from a vial, not my testes. I'm borrowing the term from Gianna Israel (
http://www.firelily.com/gender/gianna/g ... rview.html).
In this sense, I guess it's more "cosmetic" than medical, unless the urologist recognizes the "psychic distress" of having unwanted genitals. And this is why I think it would be unlikely for many therapists to relate, as it is neither the castration fetishism (whereby one gains a sexual thrill at the thought of it or simply obsesses over it) nor the matter of transgenderism they are more likely to be familiar with. Moreover, I wonder what urologist would write a letter of recommendation, as the situation would be akin to a person seeking amputation of a healthy organ. (If "genital dysphoria" is uncommon with shrinks, it is probably less common with urologists, and hence lacks recognition as a genuine diagnosis).
I don't want to go the route of needing to take chemical castration medication for a year simply to qualify for physical castration and then go on hormone replacement therapy to undo the damage from low T. From the trans-girls I've spoken with, it seems there is a point of no return, beyond which the body becomes less sensitive to testosterone (though this could be because of the fact that they take estrogen on top of testosterone blockers).
I'd love to be proven wrong on this matter &/or given a name or a directory that would hone in on what direction to go.
Re: castration without shrink
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:39 am
by kristoff
What you are discussing as Genital Dysphoria is more apty described in terms of Body Identity Integrity Disorder (BIID). It was first named apotemnophilia. Dr. Michael First coined the term BIID. Initially, it was described as though an extremity didn't belong, and hence needed to be removed. Since that time, Dr. First acknowledges that BIID can involve "mid-line appendages," i.e. penis and/or testicles. I would pursue things from that angle - and would not try an urologist first. I would suggest a PhD or MD level psychologist or psychiatrist - more likely to find some understanding or willingness to investigate further.
leftbehind33 (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:29 am
Raymar,
Thanks for your reply. I specified "genital dysphoria" rather than "gender dysphoria" because 1) gender dysphoria is probably recognized as a more legitimate reason to part with the testes than simply hating one's genitals and 2) my personal dislike for my testicles is not related to any gender issues. I still want to maintain male role, function, and characteristics; I just want my testosterone from a vial, not my testes. I'm borrowing the term from Gianna Israel (
http://www.firelily.com/gender/gianna/g ... rview.html).
In this sense, I guess it's more "cosmetic" than medical, unless the urologist recognizes the "psychic distress" of having unwanted genitals. And this is why I think it would be unlikely for many therapists to relate, as it is neither the castration fetishism (whereby one gains a sexual thrill at the thought of it or simply obsesses over it) nor the matter of transgenderism they are more likely to be familiar with. Moreover, I wonder what urologist would write a letter of recommendation, as the situation would be akin to a person seeking amputation of a healthy organ. (If "genital dysphoria" is uncommon with shrinks, it is probably less common with urologists, and hence lacks recognition as a genuine diagnosis).
I don't want to go the route of needing to take chemical castration medication for a year simply to qualify for physical castration and then go on hormone replacement therapy to undo the damage from low T. From the trans-girls I've spoken with, it seems there is a point of no return, beyond which the body becomes less sensitive to testosterone (though this could be because of the fact that they take estrogen on top of testosterone blockers).
I'd love to be proven wrong on this matter &/or given a name or a directory that would hone in on what direction to go.
Re: castration without shrink
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:55 am
by leftbehind33 (imported)
Thanks, Kristoff. Had I read more beforehand, I would have seen that Jesus also calls this scenario BIID.
I appreciate the advice and will consider approaching things from this angle.
kristoff wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:39 am
What you are discussing as Genital Dysphoria is more apty described in terms of Body Identity Integrity Disorder (BIID). It was first named apotemnophilia. Dr. Michael First coined the term BIID. Initially, it was described as though an extremity didn't belong, and hence needed to be removed. Since that time, Dr. First acknowledges that BIID can involve "mid-line appendages," i.e. penis and/or testicles. I would pursue things from that angle - and would not try an urologist first. I would suggest a PhD or MD level psychologist or psychiatrist - more likely to find some understanding or willingness to investigate further.
Re: castration without shrink
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:45 am
by Hash (imported)
From all that I've read, it's confirmed that castration by a physician/surgeon/urologist most likely cannot be obtained without first seeing a psychiatrist, that's fact. That does not mean that you should take drastic measures or revert to castrating yourself. Self-castration is dangerous and deadly, it's also mostly painful and can be a most embarrassing situation. However, as I remember my own situation, I disregarded almost all warnings, lost a lot of blood, ended up in the ER, etc. etc. and I only successfully removed one testicle. But it cost me a lot, both physically, emotionally, and mentally. Fortunately I was able to have Dr. Kimmel remove my remaining testicle so that today I am a true eunuch. I've said all of this because I know that many of you will be driven to attempt castrating yourself, don't do it. If you're feeling overwhelmed and out of control with the thought of being castrated, you need to seek help. See a shrink and don't feel embarrassed, your life is in danger, and who knows, if you're fortunate you might find someone to help you achieve your castration. Good luck, God bless Here's another very lucky man who castrated himself, but could have died in the process:
http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16830
Re: castration without shrink
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:10 pm
by devi (imported)
It may be that the Harry Benjamin society whatever they are called now are about to recognize BIID and/or male to eunuch dysphoria in which case you'd have a jumpstart if you can find a sympathetic psychiatrist.