ohh Guy's You are, as ever, so so helpful.

so to precis.... there are two main choices, as i understand , Spiro and CA, for reduction of testosterone (orally).

In terms of effacacy then (given a dose of 2 x 100 mg Spiro per day) which would be more effective, at which does, Spiro or CA?

xxxxx

charlene

You can not compare the does of one drug effect to another like that. Each has it's own dosing. Most start out with 100mg of CA. Do not know the dose of spiro.

hi all thanks for taking part in this with me Im on my 3rd day well what can I say nothing has changed and I will keep all informed on all that happens i dont have much time to post tonight got home late from a date I had and going to bed night all

I don't like to post anything that conflicts with Bobbie because I've learned much from him but...

There is no comparison in the effectiveness of CA and Spiro. I have used both and it is like comparing an asprin and morphine. Spiro is a very weak anti-androgen and really isn't prescribed as such. It is a potassium-sparing diuretic. It may be prescribed for treatment of hirsutism due to its mild anti-androgenic properties as well as treatment of familial male precocious puberty. CA is much stronger and is prescribed in non-US countries for what you are looking for.

Spiro is certainly good for playing around to lower your testosterone slightly. It is pretty inexpensive and pretty safe if you limit your potassium intake and can tolerate trips to the bathroom at night. But if you want to really lower your testosterone, use CA. And get a testosterone test to see where you really are. Be patient and good luck.

Patience is one of my virtues, especially if it means lower risk (through lower dosage)

i have read up to 200mg perday of CA ia relatively safe, over this is not so .

i would start off with either 50 mg or 100 mg split into two 1/2 doses a day to begin with.

Of course others with experience of the ideal starting dose (given side effects and risk ) may like to suggest a course for me.

I am very very open to others with more experience.

Many thanks in advance,

charlene

I would start at a slightly higher dose and stay on that dose for about 2 months and then lower it by a 1/3. I have been on siterone for almost 2 years, with a six month break in between do to another health issue. When I started and then re-started i used 150 for 2 months, it brought my T-level down to 40, which is castrate level, then i dropped down to 100 mg for 2 months and was able to achieve maintainace level @ 50mg, once I went to 50mg my T-level went back to around 60 and has fluxed between 45-60. which is still castrate level.

thats my 2cents.

and i must throw out some safety warrnings. keep an eye out for depression, it may be mild or it may be crazy, but there will be a little. I knew to look for it the second time, the first time it kind of hit me out of know where, it wasnt major for me, but it was there. once my level stabelized @ the bottom, the depression went away. dont think it does for everybody. if possible tell a friend to keep an eye out for you in the begining.

best of luck

Dave

My biggest hurdle was a lack of energy for a long period of time, especially in the morning hours, to the extent that I was considering stopping. I don't have a lack of energy anymore and things seem to be much more normal for me now. I take vitamins, most recently adding B-Complex, and DHEA. I don't know if the combination of vitamins and DHEA have helped me to regain my energy level or if, over time, my body has has somehow readjusted itself on its own. Maybe others can comment on the use of vitamins and their experience regarding energy levels.

hey all thanks for joining me on this androcur trip its been 6 days now on it at 200mg. a day, I just took the last 100mg. tonight for the day. Not a whole lot happening I guess except last night I couldn't sleep well so im kind of tired tonight. I will keep posting more often now and you all take care....

Thanks!!

Hi all its been 10 days now and a few things have been happening, I have noticed that my energy level went down allot .I feel tired all the time but that happened the last time I was on androcur. Last night when I went to bed I felt kind of wierd like I had butterflys in mt stomack,I fell asleep for about 3 hours and woke up with a raging hard on it was so bad that it allmost hurt I didnt masturbate or anything and tryed to get back to sleep.I fell back to sleep for another 4 hours had a dream cant really remember it all but woke up to a wet dream had a puddle of sperm on my belly it was like wow never had anything like that happen all my life. Then the worst I had my first hot flash it was really bad and hope it doesnt happen again. well I need to get ready for work later all.

I took Androcur for just over a year, after about 2 weeks the night sweats kicked in and then the hot flashes. After that year I knew it was right and did the castration. The hot flashes and the night sweats continued for a couple more years, the hot flashes still happen once in a while but now are very mild. It has been 7 years.

Rule 1. Start Androcur and you like it,

Rule 2. See your PCP for blood test, liver and testosterone.

Rule 3. Tell him everything your doing and your goal.

Rule 4. move Rule 1 to the bottom of the list.

Good luck with this, I hope you get the answers you are looking for.

River