Yes Dave it was a sad day in this Luthran church where this doctor was gunned down.I say sad because he has to now answer to the Lord and I would not want to be in this skin today.Religion and politics will always be tyed togeather until we have a socialist government and this is happening at a very fast pace.I feel fue are seeing there freedom dissapear befor ther very eyes.This has been going on now for the past severial adminestrations but we can now see it happening very fast now.Good luck

sag111 (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:38 pm Yes Dave it was a sad day in this Luthran church where this doctor was gunned down.I say sad because he has to now answer to the Lord and I would not want to be in this skin today.Religion and politics will always be tyed togeather until we have a socialist government and this is happening at a very fast pace.I feel fue are seeing there freedom dissapear befor ther very eyes.This has been going on now for the past severial adminestrations but we can now see it happening very fast now.Good luck

That's not true. It's just sad. We should work for politics and religion (or religion and politics) to accommodate each other and not fight each other. their positions aren't exclusive of each other.

The discussion of this is going to get so ugly in a day or so that no one will be able to discuss the subject in a reasonable manner. It's a shame because politics would benefit from discussions of religion and philosophy. All this killing will do is polarize the discussion. Politics might be tha art of the possible, but it shouldn't become the souless and irresponsible art of the quick decisions. Philosophy should give as much meaning and purpose to society as religion.

Why is it certian religons havee to brow beat people into accepting them as the only path both spirtualy and politicaly?

Why is it when it comes to rights certian religons ignore the very document that allows them to be free to worship as they feel?

Why is it certain religons feel that this document gives them cart blanche to derail the very system that ensures thier rights and try to hijack the goverment turning it from one made by and governed by the people to one run by a pulpit?

Why is it certain religons say do as I say not what I do Fred Phillips comes to mind here.

Why is it certain religons instead of helping folks in need build massive multi million dollar churches buy TV stations wear designer fashions and get driven around in rolls royce limo's through gettos instead of turning those funds into a helping hand to raise up thier fellow man?

Why is it certain faiths condemn medicine and allow thier children to die of sickness that a MD could cure.

Why is it certain religons cannot except we are all gods children made in gods image every straight gay lesbian bisexual transgernder eunuch all of us equal in gods love and all worthy of the same rights?

Why is it certain relgions have issues with the fact the very holy book they hold as fact has beed rearranged had whole chapters dropped had new chapetrs written to allow the pulpit to control the masses and wqas never writtten by any of the people alive at the time but hundreds of years later?

Give me a clear cut no hocuspocus muddied reason.

Considering that we are facing a crux in history rapidly approaching the asteroid of 2012 which by the way coincides with ancient cultures stating that it is the end of the world isn't it to bad that this certain religon destroyed nearly every record of these ancients as theywere called heresay. Wow gee members of that certain faith to abd with all that data we may be able to either prevent a disaster or dismiss it as religous rantings but gee we will never know thanks to that certqain faiths actions.

sag111 (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:38 pm Yes Dave it was a sad day in this Luthran church where this doctor was gunned down.I say sad because he has to now answer to the Lord and I would not want to be in this skin today.Religion and politics will always be tyed togeather until we have a socialist government and this is happening at a very fast pace.I feel fue are seeing there freedom dissapear befor ther very eyes.This has been going on now for the past severial adminestrations but we can now see it happening very fast now.Good luck

YOU WANT PHILOSOPHY?

THIS IS A PAGE STRAIGHT FROM THE TALIBAN PHILOSOPHY BOOK.

ONLY THE NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO PROTECT THE GUILTY!

shakemitkshakemitk:shakemitk :shakemitk

Whatever happend to understanding the ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE of the First Ammendment?

Ask yourself one question. "What good can come from it?". People rarely change political, philosophical or religious beliefs. So what will happen is there will always be hard feelings. My feelings, based on past experience as both a participant and moderator of online forums, tells me that nothing good can come from this. Nothing will be gained, but the friendships of many can and will be harmed by religious discussion.

Elizabeth

Agreement sustains belief. The more other people believe what you believe, the more certain can you feel in your beliefs. "Social confirmation" is well known to psychologists and marketers.

Disagreement weakens belief. The fewer other people believe what you believe, the less certain can you feel in your beliefs. This "cognitive dissonance" is well known to psychologists and marketers.

Most people wish to be untroubled in their beliefs. They wish to feel certain. They want no hidden doubts nagging at them. They want not to think about things.

Many things become clear when understood as a flight from uncertainty to certainty. Efforts to avoid, suppress, or silence dissenting opinion, ranging from social avoidance to mass murder and everything in between make (sad) sense.

The effort to assert belief and suppress dissent will be most energetic when one's own belief is less than assured. People compensate for their doubts by making a greater effort to assert belief.

Religious belief always requires some degree of "faith" - belief unsupported by facts or logic. For this reason, most religious people entertain some doubts, no matter how deeply buried. A widespread system of beliefs which is less than certain, such as religion, is most likely to occasion strenuous assertion and aggressive suppression of dissent.

Bobover: This sounds so serious. It is a clear story. But how do people feel (about this) after they had that secret look to the other side?

Elizabeth: Maybe you remember my story... Strange thing, I do have no reasons for any doubts. I love HIM (or better it), but I have to agree with you.

Elizabeth (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:02 am Nothing will be gained, but the friendships of many can and will be harmed by religious discussion.

I can feel how I dislike people showing around with bibles an other books, and showing of with their "studies" about it. I could see the results as I tried on this board, to show what happened to me.........

As said, I LOVE HIM, if anyone wants to understand, okay no problems, but religious discussions, no thanks, they do more harm then good.

Don't forget:

loveUall

Jean

hhhmmm, seems like this thread has been so very active,

that a whole area dedicated to Religion & Philosophy might

really be stimulating to Board activity.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:22 pm hhhmmm, seems like this thread has been so very active,

that a whole area dedicated to Religion & Philosophy might

really be stimulating to Board activity.

Yeah Moi,you are so right again...................

maybe to the activity, but do we need more inane postings?????

loveUall

Jean

Jean Op den Kamp (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:55 pm Yeah Moi,you are so right again...................

maybe to the activity, but do we need more inane postings?????

loveUall

Jean

OH GOD! >>> NO!

...don't forget the INSANE postings, either...