The ancient Greeks had a bit advice for you: if you don't like it, become either a God or a corpse.

We have lots of murals in my workplace, almost one on every wall. I'm in favor of murals. Why would someone make an issue of...What?...Morals?

Ohhhhhhh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0

Yoli

Art Lover and Very Mur...MORAL...girl.

incluse,

WWII was over 63 years ago. It is EXTREMELY doubtful that anyone 83 years old (or 81 for that matter) stilll work for the company. Even so somebody 18-20 years old seldom saw management in such a company because they were all in the military.

take the job, unless you have some other reason that you are not telling us about.

You can always leave later with some of their money...

I remember watching a BBC documentary about Nazi slave labour during WW2. This would be around the time that Disney came out with a movie about Herbie. The documentary showed footage of slaves in a factory making V2s, Hitler's secret rocket weapon intended to flatten London.

Clearly on the casings of the V2s in the background you could see the Volkswagen logo, exactly the same as they are still using.

I fell off my chair from laughing. Isn't that what you'd expect from Volkswagen?

Kortpeel

Take the job until something else comes along.

You're going to run into issues like this moral thing ( a minor inconvenience ) no matter where you work.

It's sounds a lot like I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill.

This would only be the 3rd company to work for since I started work. The first company was a good christian based internet provider. Second, a goliath casino company that did everything in it's power to look good and did a good chunk of charity work and had nominal lawsuits against it for it's size. Nothing I disagreed with outright.

This new company... yah, they had a bad history. But the whole world is going in the toilet and all I can do is live my life to the highest moral standards.

I don't anticipate having to do something unethical/immoral and I hopefully won't bare witness to such. I can only live from day to day and I'll come to that bridge when I get to it.

It sounds like you have made up your mind, which is good because it wouldn't be right for me or anyone else to make it up for you. This is one of those decisions that only you can make, and only you will have to live with.

I think it's admirable that you are willing to reconsider accepting a job offer simply because you have moral concerns regarding the company.

Living up to personal moral standards is more important to some than others, and the real question here is whether these concerns you have are enough to prevent you from accepting the job that you so imperatively need.

I have not met a single corporation whose practices I find morally acceptable, so if I really wanted to never abandon my morals, I'd likely find myself without a job and without a way to pay the bills. This is very much a corporate world we live in today, and the majority of jobs are with corporations.

While in an ideal world we would all be able to do what we feel is right 100 percent of the time, in the real world this is not practical. It pains me to say that, but it is what I must honestly say. There are a few people out there who will not accept this and will always consider their own morals above anything else, including having money to survive, but most people, including you I suspect, will rank reality above idealism and permit themselves access to the resources they need.

Oh my, oh my my my.....

You know, GOD has a sense of humor, and it is a VERY cruel sense of humor...

I find myself in a similar situation, a job that pays well, that I could do well, but OH HELL NO! There is NO WAY!

This job came to my notice only a few days after giving the very advice that I myself should be taking.

In my case, it is not an issue with slavery, nothing like that. It is a problem with UNIFORMS. Once I got out of the navy, I made a committment to myself, for the sake of my soul and spirit, that I would NEVER again wear a uniform... Well along comes the Devil himself (or herself) waving a fat paycheck and a relatively easy job (emergency services dispatcher) in my face. All I need do is sign the paper, hand over my soul, and.... oh I JUST cannot, NO! NO! NO! NO!

I SERIOUSLY would rather wear a clown outfit! I would rather wear anything but that!

So you see, I think it is like the power of God himself (or herself) has interceded, he read my previous post here, where I said that the slave labor issue is in the past, and advised that someone put aside their reservations about it and take the job.... And then, he said chuckling to himself: "Ha! Let's see if he has the nerve to practice what he preaches!"

Sadly, NO, I do NOT have the nerve to practice what I preach in this case. I just cannot bring myself to ever wear a uniform like that, I guess I am really sick in the head huh?

Well, at least I DO have the nerve to be honest about it, and admit that on this issue, I am a bit of a hypocrit. With my humblest appollogy to Incuse.

You are not alone.

Nearly every chemical company owes its existence to high pressure processes. I mention that because it the enabling discovery was the Haber Ammonia Process that was devised in 1910 in Germany. Now that enabled the mass production of nitrogenous gunpowder and nitrogen based fertilizer. Haber and Bosch (his coworker) won two Nobel Prizes. These high pressure processes made WW2 possible.

How much more checkered a past could there be? It's not the process that is bad, it's the people using it.

Another example is that medicine knows much about how human bodies react in cold water - drowning victims, victims of floods, etc... Doctors can "freeze" people for surgery and revive people involved in bad accidents. However, the original research was done by the Nazi's in WW2 and it was an atrocity. Would you let a person die because of the origins of that research? No. But we won't repeat it.

My point is that you can find immorality everywhere but you, yourself need not live it.

My advice is take the job, save your money and work hard. If you see wrongdoing, then you know what to do. If you never see wrongdoing then you have a good job and a fair pay. And if you find a better job, then give your two weeks notice and take it.

But remember, you are not alone.

Well, I was told last week I'd be getting an offer from the company. So far this hasn't turned up yet. I was told it was due to their HR system being down all last week.

My interview at the hospital went very well. It helped that my old boss got to be manager at the hospital. However, his decision is only 1/3 of the vote to hire me.

I ended up telling the immoral unnamed company that I was interviewing at the hospital and he nearly shit a brick. He *wants* me, it's just that the company is so large they can't make decisions quickly and get me through their HR.

Both the hospital and the unnamed company claim to have a decision to me by Friday (11-7) so we'll see what tomorrow turns up.

The immoral thing... yah, I'm putting that behind me. I brought it up with the guy that's trying to hire me and he says that the company was very embarrassed during the last round of bribery cases. The company now has some pretty strict ethics standards that everyone has to, at least claim, to abide by. The standards get more strict as the person gets higher up.

The slavery thing, well... like it's been mentioned in earlier portions of this thread -- every company has skeletons in it's closets somewhere. I'm going to live up to my own standards and won't let others pull me down.