What America needs is a new chain of stores that pledges to stock only American made products whenever they are available. Include union employees and it could be quite a marketing tool. I bet there are a lot of Americans that would pay a bit more to know they are supporting American workers and farmers.

As for Hell... I will hold the door open for our Paolo.

amahl_shukup (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:14 pm I can't decide if you're being ironic, or if you're actually suggesting that I might defend honor killings. If it's the former, no offense taken, as I'm a fairly ironic kind of guy...but if it's the latter, nothing could be further from the truth. I am as appalled as anyone over honor killings, partly for the brutality against a vulnerable group (powerless women), but also partly because of all the ignorant superstition and patriarchal traditions behind it. And to think, women in the West think they've got hard lives. Whatever "glass ceiling" still exists here (if it exists at all) is nothing compared to the kind of shit Muslim women have to endure, from honor killings to genital mutilation to getting the death penalty for daring to get raped. I ask it all the time of my local friends, but I might as well ask it here as well: What is wrong...and I mean WTF is wrong...with these superstitious ignorant morons?

Of course, I am poking fun at you, Amahl!

Re: your question. Nothing is inherently 'wrong' with them except that they are sociopathic and have not even a small vestige of humanity left in their souls. God is the only one who can save them now.

Of course, we cannot paint them all with a broad brush, however badly we want to.

Maybe Jesus (our Jesus) will comment on the sociological connotations but the 'average' individual WILL be susceptable to 'dog pack' mentality and contribute to the attack of any individual or group of individuals, or, if you will, nationality or ethnic origin, so forth and so on, and behave in a manner likewise to the worst of the leaders of the group.

We see this in the 'hazing' phenomenon, a case of High School girls around Chicago (or was it Wisconsin) comes immediately to mind. You see it sometimes in the alienation of individuals destined to do terrible things such as the two perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_ ... l_massacre). The massacre was bred in the alienation of individuals and I believe that by joining into these unreasonable persecutions, normal individuals do highly abnormal things that can cause terrible consequences.

Furthermore, if a bunch of these KKS expect any favors from any God, (like rapture) they had better repent and start becoming more like him, pronto! Dealing with sin by using a sin as a consequence is heaping sin upon sin.

A true Christian must realize that there is no such thing as time and every time you do this sort of thing you lay more burden upon Christ's sufferings on the cross. In a time warp he suffers even as I type this. Sometimes I am powerless to stop my own sinning and when I think about it, it grieves me terribly. Other times, I say as a saint once did, "God grant me chastity, but not yet." Such is the nature of man. (and woman, too) Remember, there is little difference between thinking it and doing it in the eyes of God because while it is good NOT to do bad, the BAD is still in your heart. The thinker is no better than the doer.

It boils down to right and wrong. I don't want to get too Christian here, but here it goes, anyway. Jesus Christ said something to the effect that if you do good things for your friends, well, there is little reward in that, but doing good to them who spitefully use (and abuse) you and in effect praying for them you 'heap coals of fire' upon their heads. You must think it before you can do it.

Besides that, you never know when your merciful actions might actually shock some otherwise cruel individual to their senses.

All of this coming from ME. Everyone here knows what I would have done on 9-12-2001 had I been in George W. Bush's shoes. Well, it IS an action straight from the pages of the OLD TESTAMENT. And I STILL get BOMB DETROIT for it from time to time. That goes a long way to describe the type of individual who posts to this message board.

But in dealing with individuals, you MUST know the nature of the individual. In all of my dealings, I have not before now encountered a group of more tolerant individuals that I have right here on the E.A. message boards.

So, bombing Detroit, if any of you live there is OUT for me! You ruined my capacity for doing inhumanity to mankind. Regardless, laying Afghanistan to waste I would have done in the blink of an eye, and probably I would make a similar decision if I were ever in such a position. But what is the difference between the 'average' person in Afghanistan and ANY of us...? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You see, being human, I am no better than the so-called 'average' individual who goes along with doing these terrible things that I have mentioned. Terrible circumstances make average people do terrible things and as I have said, if you want to remain innocent and 'do the good', you must be eternally vigilant.

Furthermore, once you "DO" one of these actions it is very, very, very easy to repeat it. And the ease with which you do a terrible thing increases expotenitally with each repetition. KNOW that between ONESELF and an ADOLPH HITLER (or any other infamous individual) is only an action that is very, very typical of an 'average' human. And for humanities sake be aware of the ease of repetition phenomenon that I have described.

...and then, govern yourself accordingly...

...and FOR GOD's sake there is NOTHING to be proud of when you behave like a Pit Bull. I have TWO of them and you have known NO canine until you UNDERSTAND the unique characteristics of the psyche of this breed. They "DO" what other breeds only 'consider' doing. However, their capacity to LOVE you is no different than any other breed. It is their capacity to hate you that you must be cautious about. In other words, they are not much different than some IMPULSIVE people.

...and putting LIPSTICK on them does NOTHING to curb their characteristics.

Furthermore, anybody who describes theirself as being a Pit Bull is is either DANGEROUS, or just plain IGNORANT or worse, expects you to be that way.

Like I said, bye bye now.

Toxic milk toll rockets in China

A total of 1,253 Chinese children have fallen ill after drinking contaminated milk powder, and two babies have died, China's health ministry says.

It confirmed the big jump in the numbers affected at a news conference.

"As many as 10,000 infants may have drunk the contaminated Sanlu milk powder," vice health minister Ma Shaowei warned.

Meanwhile, the New Zealand government has accused the company concerned - and local officials - of failing to act.

The company at the centre of the growing scandal, Sanlu Group, is part-owned by New Zealand's Fonterra Cooperative, the country's biggest dairy producer.

The New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said her government contacted Beijing directly, after alerting the company and officials but to no avail.

Estimates rising

Mr Ma said in Beijing that 340 children remained in hospital, and that out of these 53 were in a serious condition.

He confirmed earlier reports in the state media that two babies had died from drinking milk powder produced by Sanlu Group, both of them in north-west China's Gansu province.

Cases of contamination have also been reported in the provinces of Hebei and Jiangsu.

The government is investigating how the contamination occurred. Official media is reporting that melamine, an industrial chemical rich in nitrogen, was added to the milk powder to help the food appear rich in protein, but it also prompted babies to develop kidney stones.

Reports are now emerging of some mothers expressing doubts about the milk as early as March this year, on seeing that their babies' urine was discoloured after drinking the milk.

Government told

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said her government learned of the contamination problem on September 5, then three days later decided to inform Beijing after local Chinese officials refused to act.

New Zealand ambassador to China Tony Brown was deputised to tell the Chinese government.

"We were the whistle-blowers and they [the Chinese government] leapt in and ensured there was action on the ground," Ms Clark said.

Fonterra had "been trying for weeks to get official recall and the local authorities in China would not do it", Ms Clark told TVNZ.

"I think the first inclination was to try and put a towel over it and deal with it without an official recall," she said.

Meanwhile, Sanlu's minority partner, Fonterra, has accused Sanlu of sabotage.

"In this case we frankly have sabotage of a product," Fonterra's chief executive Andrew Ferrier told reporters.

"Our hearts go out to the parents and the infants who were affected," he added.

Under pressure in New Zealand to explain why Fonterra had not gone public with its concerns about the product sooner, Mr Ferrier said his conscience was clear.

He said Fonterra had known of the contamination in early August and wanted an immediate recall but that Sanlu had had to abide by Chinese rules.

"We together with Sanlu have done everything that we possibly could to get the product off the shelf," Ferrier said, speaking to New Zealand reporters by video from Singapore.

Arrests

All 19 people detained in connection with the scandal so far are from the stations which pick up milk from dairy farmers, the state-controlled China Daily newspaper reported.

It said the contamination probably happened at the milk-collecting stations.

Meanwhile, state news agency Xinhua reported that two brothers had been arrested, having allegedly added melamine to the 3 tonnes of milk they sold on from farmers every day.

Taiwan said late on Sunday it was banning all imports of Sanlu dairy products immediately. It is not believed that the milk powder was exported to any other country.

In 2004, at least 13 babies died in the eastern province of Anhui after drinking fake milk powder.

Melamine was linked to the deaths and illness of thousands of cats and dogs in the United States last year after it was added to pet food components exported from China.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/a ... 616346.stm

Paolo wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:58 am Toxic milk toll rockets in China

A total of 1,253 Chinese children have fallen ill after drinking contaminated milk powder, and two babies have died, China's health ministry says.

It confirmed the big jump in the numbers affected at a news conference.

"As many as 10,000 infants may have drunk the contaminated Sanlu milk powder," vice health minister Ma Shaowei warned.

Meanwhile, the New Zealand government has accused the company concerned - and local officials - of failing to act.

The company at the centre of the growing scandal, Sanlu Group, is part-owned by New Zealand's Fonterra Cooperative, the country's biggest dairy producer.

The New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said her government contacted Beijing directly, after alerting the company and officials but to no avail.

Estimates rising

Mr Ma said in Beijing that 340 children remained in hospital, and that out of these 53 were in a serious condition.

He confirmed earlier reports in the state media that two babies had died from drinking milk powder produced by Sanlu Group, both of them in north-west China's Gansu province.

Cases of contamination have also been reported in the provinces of Hebei and Jiangsu.

The government is investigating how the contamination occurred. Official media is reporting that melamine, an industrial chemical rich in nitrogen, was added to the milk powder to help the food appear rich in protein, but it also prompted babies to develop kidney stones.

Reports are now emerging of some mothers expressing doubts about the milk as early as March this year, on seeing that their babies' urine was discoloured after drinking the milk.

Government told

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said her government learned of the contamination problem on September 5, then three days later decided to inform Beijing after local Chinese officials refused to act.

New Zealand ambassador to China Tony Brown was deputised to tell the Chinese government.

"We were the whistle-blowers and they [the Chinese government] leapt in and ensured there was action on the ground," Ms Clark said.

Fonterra had "been trying for weeks to get official recall and the local authorities in China would not do it", Ms Clark told TVNZ.

"I think the first inclination was to try and put a towel over it and deal with it without an official recall," she said.

Meanwhile, Sanlu's minority partner, Fonterra, has accused Sanlu of sabotage.

"In this case we frankly have sabotage of a product," Fonterra's chief executive Andrew Ferrier told reporters.

"Our hearts go out to the parents and the infants who were affected," he added.

Under pressure in New Zealand to explain why Fonterra had not gone public with its concerns about the product sooner, Mr Ferrier said his conscience was clear.

He said Fonterra had known of the contamination in early August and wanted an immediate recall but that Sanlu had had to abide by Chinese rules.

"We together with Sanlu have done everything that we possibly could to get the product off the shelf," Ferrier said, speaking to New Zealand reporters by video from Singapore.

Arrests

All 19 people detained in connection with the scandal so far are from the stations which pick up milk from dairy farmers, the state-controlled China Daily newspaper reported.

It said the contamination probably happened at the milk-collecting stations.

Meanwhile, state news agency Xinhua reported that two brothers had been arrested, having allegedly added melamine to the 3 tonnes of milk they sold on from farmers every day.

Taiwan said late on Sunday it was banning all imports of Sanlu dairy products immediately. It is not believed that the milk powder was exported to any other country.

In 2004, at least 13 babies died in the eastern province of Anhui after drinking fake milk powder.

Melamine was linked to the deaths and illness of thousands of cats and dogs in the United States last year after it was added to pet food components exported from China.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/a ... 616346.stm

Paolo-

Even if the powdered milk doesn't kill you, it can still be harmful. And we used to drink the good stuff, carnation! Even after a vigorous shaking of the jugs, lumps would form. These lumps of powder, walled off with a layer of milk paste, would explode. Positive pressure exhurted upon swollowing would cause the rupture. The powder, with the consistensy of dry motor, would adhere to the oropharynx, and SUCK ALL THE MOISTURE from the mucous membranes. Goats milk was a real treat, but harder to be had. And trust me, If could get it nothing would stop me. So we were stuck with the powdered crap routinely. Muhamid was the only thing cool about living in that shitten sandbox.

the disgruntled domestic

chilli-

Goats Milk, I have not had any sense I was a kid. My dad had two of them and milked them twice a day. I guess I was about 7 when I tasted cows milk for the first time, I was not impressed.

River

You were a "KID"?

Goats were the livestock of choice back in those days when the Israelites were wandering about in the wilderness.

China: Third baby dies from tainted milk formula

Story Highlights

More than 6,000 babies now known to be ill, official says

China's largest milk, Mengniu Dairy Group, recalls three batches of formula

Concerned parents line up to get their infants scanned, Xinhua reports

Ingesting melamine can lead to kidney stones, eye and skin irritation

BEIJING, China (CNN) -- A third baby has died after drinking tainted formula and more than 6,000 children have been made ill, Chinese officials said Wednesday.

China's largest producer of milk, Mengniu Dairy Group, announced the recall of three batches of formula made in January after tests showed they were contaminated.

More than 6,200 babies have been sickened by milk powder now found to be tainted with the chemical melamine, said Li Changjiang, China's director of quarantine and inspection, up from about 1,200 on Tuesday.

More than 1,300 infants are hospitalized. The illnesses include malnutrition, kidney stones and acute renal failure.

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Originally Chinese officials said all of the tainted formula had remained in China (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/China), other than a small amount that was exported to Taiwan. But Li said Wednesday that the powder has also been shipped to five other nations, including Bangladesh, Myanmar, Yemen, Chad and Burundi.

Recalls of the products by the Yashili and Suokang companies have been made, according to Li.

Of China's 175 baby milk powder production companies, 66 have already stopped production, Li said. Investigators are testing samples at the rest.

China's Xinhua news agency reported that worried parents started lining up at 5 a.m. Wednesday to see doctors at Renmin Hospital in Shijiazhuang, the capital of the northern Hebei Province.

Wang Lifang said she went to the hospital after medics at her local hospital 45 kilometers [28 miles] away in Xingtang County found problems with her two-month-old daughter.

"The county hospital found my daughter has kidney stones that are smaller than 4mm [less than a fifth of an inch]," the farmer in her 30s told Xinhua.

"My daughter is so young that the doctors worry the stones might not be washed out themselves so they told me to go to the provincial hospital."

The report said the girl had drunk a little water.

"Doctors said I better not feed her powdered milk," Xinhua quoted a "tearful" Wang as saying.

"In the past few days, I fed her fresh milk bought from a neighbor who raises a cow but once I left home I did not know what to do."

Other parents told Xinhua they wanted their children scanned for kidney stones as a precaution.

Peng Jing, a mother in her 20s, said her two-month-old son had drunk about two small bags of Sanlu powdered milk.

"He seems OK, but we want to be 100 percent sure he is healthy so we came to have the tests," she told Xinhua at Renmin Hospital.

Two brothers who sold fresh milk used to produce contaminated baby milk powder were arrested by Chinese investigators Monday and could face death if convicted, according to China Daily, the state-run newspaper.

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The raw milk had been watered down and a chemical added to fool quality checks, the newspaper said.

The food safety (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Food_Safety) scandal prompted China agricultural officials to start a nationwide inspection of its dairy industry.

While 19 people were detained for questioning, the only ones arrested so far are the brothers who supplied about three tons of milk each day to the Sanlu Group, which manufactured the baby formula, the paper said.

Investigators said the brothers confessed to watering down the raw milk and mixing in tripolycyanamide, also known as melamine. They said they did it to recover losses suffered when the factory rejected earlier milk shipments, the paper reported.

The brothers are charged with producing and selling toxic and hazardous food, which carries a possible death penalty, the paper said.

Health experts say ingesting melamine can lead to kidney stones, urinary tract ulcers, and eye and skin irritation.

The chemical is commonly used in coatings and laminates, wood adhesives, fabric coatings, ceiling tiles and flame retardants.

Sanlu Group has recalled more than 8,200 tons of the tainted formula following reports of sickened babies, Xinhua said.

Watch angry parents demand answers at Sanlu » (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability. ... ted+milk+f ormula+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=31056210&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2008%2FWORLD%2Fasia pcf%2F09%2F16%2Fchina.tainted.formula%2Findex.html&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo)

Sanlu, one of China's leading dairy producers, has also sealed off more than 2,100 tons of contaminated product, and another 700 tons still need to be recalled, the news agency said.

Chinese investigators have found melamine in nearly 70 milk products from more than 20 companies, Li said Wednesday. Products made by Sanlu had the highest concentration of the chemical.

It is not the first time Sanlu has been connected to a scandal involving tainted milk powder, according to China Daily.

In 2004, at least 13 infants in the eastern Anhui province died of malnutrition after drinking milk powder that had little to no nutrition. The illegally manufactured milk was falsely labeled with the Sanlu brand, according to the paper.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration said no Chinese baby formula has been allowed on the market in the United States. In a statement on its Web site, the FDA said it had reached out to all five companies making formula in the United States and none has used formula or source materials from China.

This episode marks the latest in a string of tainted products produced in China:

Thousands of pets in the United States became ill, some dying, last year after eating food imported from China tainted with melamine, the same chemical found in the powdered milk

Last October, at least 69,000 Chinese-made toys were recalled (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Product_Recalls) in the United States over concerns of excessive amounts of lead paint

In November, it was found that the popular toy Aqua Dots was contaminated with a toxic chemical that turned into a powerful "date rape" drug if swallowed

In February, a Maryland candy distributor pulled Pokemon-brand Valentine lollipops from store shelves after bits of metal were found in the sealed treats, authorities said.CNN's John Vause and Yuli Yang contributed to this story.

My parents mixed whole milk and powered milk. I really hated that stuff. We also had a goat for a few years and drank goat’s milk which was rich and delicious.

I drink skim milk whenever I can but powered milk still haunts me. It has a place in cooking and baking, I suppose, but it tastes awful when you drink it.