Well I am gay and becoming more submissive as time goes on, I love being fucked but have been a top when it comes to cbt etc. The more I have done cbt the more experiment on myself and want to be a castrated sub for use by others

Being an older gay white male I never was dominant or submissive. I still prefer symbiotic relationships where each person contributes to the fulfillment of the other, both growing and improving from the exchange. I always had a hidden desire to engage in dual cbt, but could never bring myself to be so open with anyone. Thus I engaged in cbt only with myself; so cbt with a partner has always been just a fantasy. But I have enjoyed cbt with myself. I guess you could almost say that I am my own dom and my own sub simultaneously.

As a pure fantasy it is very enjoyable, from time to time, for me, to imagine castrating someone else and having them castrate me. It is enjoyable as a fantasy because I can do it over and over and over, in any number of ways, with infinite creativity. Without a doubt I know that this certainly makes me not "normal".

While I still long to be castrated I do worry that if I am castrated I might not want to fantisize about castration. Once my T's are gone will my mind and/or body continue to want to engage in real or imagined sex? I do enjoy sex; I just want to be rid of my T's. When My T level was at 170 and I could not get an erection I lost all interest in physical or mental sex. Maybe I could get use to that and actually enjoy that. I may give it a try soon by stopping the HRT and let nature take its own course.

Others have said they remained mostly sexually active mentally and physically after castration. Different results for different people seems to be the norm.

I think that I have sub fantasies. I enjoy having my pubic hair shaved off by my wife, for example. If I had a choice of a male or female doctor for my orchiectomy, I would choose the woman.

One encounters people online why eroticise the actof castration.

I've never really understood this: after all it's something one can only do once, or at most twice! And once done... well where then with the fantasy?

Personally my interest that connects being a eunuch with sexuality is the life after castration. To put it at its crudest, being a sub/slave whose Master had decided to castrate his property.

But then... well one listens to the wise heads around here and soon learns - if one didn't know already - that a sexually motivated fantasy is possibly the worst reason of all to seek castration.

calmeilles (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:54 pm One encounters people online why eroticise the actof castration.

I've never really understood this: after all it's something one can only do once, or at most twice! And once done... well where then with the fantasy?

Personally my interest that connects being a eunuch with sexuality is the life after castration. To put it at its crudest, being a sub/slave whose Master had decided to castrate his property.

But then... well one listens to the wise heads around here and soon learns - if one didn't know already - that a sexually motivated fantasy is possibly the worst reason of all to seek castration.

If it is a fantasy - keep it a fantasy. The reality is a whole lot different.

Kangan (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:49 pm If it is a fantasy - keep it a fantasy. The reality is a whole lot different.

Fantasy VS Need VS Desire

as it might possibly (or not) apply to SUB , DOM, and CASTRATION.

In psychology a FANTASY can be "an imagined or conjured up sequence fulfilling a psychological need; " (source on all quotes: dictionary.com)

A NEED can be "a lack of something wanted" or "necessity arising from the circumstances of a situation or case".

A DESIRE can be "sexual desire", "longing or craving", also " Desire is a strong feeling, worthy or unworthy, that impels to the attainment or possession of something that is (in reality or imagination) within reach''.

My observation is that "necessity" is not part of a fantasy or a desire, but it can possibly be part of a "want".

A castration fantasy may be a fantasy that is fulfilling a psychological need, but this does not imply that actually being castrated will fulfill a psychological or medical necessity.

Just because we think we WANT or NEED or DESIRE something does not mean being without it will somehow be a serious detriment to our existence.

NOT having that which you want, need, or desire

VS

HAVING that which you DON"T want, need, or desire.

IS HAVING testicles that you don't want, need, or desire ibad ?.

If having them is not going to be a threat to your continued existence why remove them?. Why not do something else?

As is so much in life,

Just because we can do something

Just because we want to do something

Just because we think we need to do something

Doesn't necessarily mean we should do it.

It depends.

Should we do someothing if it merely doesn't harm others or ourselves, or

Should we do it only when it is truly beneficial to others or ourselves?

In the case of castration, you can't really know what life will be like once the deed is done and there is no going back.

If doing it does not erase your fantasies, your frustrations, fulfill your needs and wants, or if afterwards you have new problems or issues then castration was the wrong course of action .

Reminds me of the fish that escaped from the dentist office in the Disney animated feature "Nemo". They were put into plastic bags while the fish tank was being cleaned.

And they managed to get the bags to roll out of the window, across the street, and into the ocean (they were sea fish). So while they got what they wanted (out of the fish tank and into the ocean), they were still stuck in the plastic bags. Thus the question: "NOW WHAT?".

Which should lead one to consider

Why do I really desire, need, want to be castrated?

What will doing it solve?

Is there another way to solve a problem, fulfill a need or desire without surgery?

Surgery iteself can cause new problem(s).

Is the risk or surgery, the risk of creating new problem(s), the risk of not solving the original problem worth it?

As is so often the case in Western culture, these questions are never asked.

We live in a I WANT IT AND I WILL GET IT (whether I need it or should have it) society.

In my case, all my life I fantasized, I desired, I really wanted to be rid of my balls.

I also fear cancer.

Having lived a good many years I know that lower testosterone levels can help minimize the risk of prostate cancer.

So I see a real medical reason, besides just fantasy, need, desire, to be without them.

Do I fear:

1 Physical/psychological After effects of being castrated? no, not at my age.

2 Medical side effects of being castrated? yes, but this can be mitigated

3 Surgery? Yes

4 Cancer? Yes (I don't have cancer, my father had prostate cancer so I feel at risk)

As a medical preventative my tonsils were removed before they caused a problem.

As a medical preventative why not remove my testicles before they cause a problem?

Society and medicine don't think so.

There in lies the problem.

I feel like I am living in a DOM society and I am not a SUB.

calmeilles (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:54 pm One encounters people online why eroticise the actof castration.

I've never really understood this: after all it's something one can only do once, or at most twice! And once done... well where then with the fantasy?

Personally my interest that connects being a eunuch with sexuality is the life after castration. To put it at its crudest, being a sub/slave whose Master had decided to castrate his property.

But then... well one listens to the wise heads around here and soon learns - if one didn't know already - that a sexually motivated fantasy is possibly the worst reason of all to seek castration.

Knowing just how strongly hormones control sexual desire I think thats wise. While being castrated might turn some people on its effect will make being turned on near impossible. Some eunuchs retain some sex drive but I'll bet its the rare exception. Even low testosterone levels will turn most people pretty near asexual.

I'm echoing Bobbie and others who say "Try Chemical Castration First" and then see how turned on you are to have it done once and for all. From my view the depression symptoms, energy loss, lack of mental focus would be enough to say "Give ME HORMONES!" And as someone who has been under the knife for this (medical reasons) its anything but sexy.

Yup, trying the chemical route may be for me.

I did say "

calmeilles (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:54 pm Personally my interest that connects being a eunuch with sexuality

" because that was the discussion point here, not because it was my only interest in castration. Just being un-sexed has considerable appeal.

hi sorry to go off on a side note but i have been wondering why we recommend chemical castration to people in castroboi's situation? He doesn't plan to experience being a eunuch with low T. He will be on T as soon as he is castrated. i know it is the status quo to tell everyone who wants to be castrated to try chemical for a year, but if he goes on chemical he will feel everything that comes along with low T and that is not his desired outcome. if anything it will discourage him from being castrated all together and he would miss out on his fulfillment of just wanting his testicles removed.

can one of the regulars help me out here, please ?

randy (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:42 am hi sorry to go off on a side note but i have been wondering why we recommend chemical castration to people in castroboi's situation? He doesn't plan to experience being a eunuch with low T. He will be on T as soon as he is castrated. i know it is the status quo to tell everyone who wants to be castrated to try chemical for a year, but if he goes on chemical he will feel everything that comes along with low T and that is not his desired outcome. if anything it will discourage him from being castrated all together and he would miss out on his fulfillment of just wanting his testicles removed.

can one of the regulars help me out here, please ?

Randy, you raise a good point. I, personally, don't like chemical castration. Personally, I don't like drugs and needles, and trying to buy drugs over the Internet or under the counter has its dangers too. The same doctors who won't surgically castrate you, also probably won't give you a legal prescription for the chemical castration drugs.

For those who are serious about wanting their testicles removed for cosmetic, sex-change, or other valid personal reasons (like out-of-control libido), should arrange for a surgical castration and have it done as soon as possible.

If it is merely fantasy and gives you a sexual thrill - forget about it.

For everyone else - try chemical castration if you must.