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Re: Something worth reading

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:09 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
Ok I decided to do a little research.

This did not take much to find, but look at it, its all over the map.

I think this one is in the myths and legends slot.

Gog and Magog

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1 Gog and Magog in religious works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... ious_works)

1.1 Hebrew Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#Hebrew_Bible)

1.2 New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... _Testament)

1.3 Qur'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#Qur.27an)

1.4 Koka and Vikoka in Hinduism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... n_Hinduism)

2 Identifications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... ifications)

2.1 In Jewish traditions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... traditions)

2.2 In the Alexander Romance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... er_Romance)

2.3 As Goths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#As_Goths)

2.4 As Celts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#As_Celts)

2.5 As Khazars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#As_Khazars)

2.6 As Israelites or Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... es_or_Jews)

2.7 As Mongolians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... Mongolians)

2.8 As Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#As_Russia)

2.9 As European nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... an_nations)

2.10 In The Travels of Marco Polo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... Marco_Polo)

3 Gog and Magog in Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... in_Britain)

3.1 Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#Giants)

3.2 Gog Magog Hills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... agog_Hills)

4 Gog and Magog in Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... in_Ireland)

5 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#See_also)

6 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#References)

7 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Ma ... rnal_links)

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[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... &section=2)] Hebrew Bible

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The first occurrence of "Magog" in the Hebrew Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible) is in the Table of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Nations) in Genesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis) 10, where Magog is the eponymous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eponym) ancestor of a people or nation (without any accompanying apocalyptic symbolism, or mention of Gog, although "Magog" may mean "the land of Gog"):

2. The sons of Japheth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japheth) were Gomer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer_%28Bible%29), Magog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog_%28Bible%29), Madai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madai), Javan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan), Tubal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal), Meshech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshech), and Tiras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiras)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-0)3. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenaz), Riphath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riphath), and Togarmah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-1) In this occurrence, Magog is clearly the name of a person, although in the anthropology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology) proposed by Genesis, ethnic groups and nations are founded by, and usually named after, their founding ancestors. The names of Gomer, Tubal, Meshech, and Togarmah also occur in Ezekiel.

The earliest known reference to "Gog" and "Magog" together is also in the Bible, in the Book of Ezekiel:

38:2. Son of man, set thy face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-2)3. And you shall say; So said the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, Gog, the prince, the head of Meshech and Tubal.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-3) Although it is clear (in the Hebrew) that here Magog is a "land" (eretz) from verse 2, and that Gog is a "prince" from verse 3, different identifications have been made. These are discussed after the text itself. The Interlinear Bible (Hebrew - Greek - English) states 2. as: "Son of man, set your face toward Gog, the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh),[disambiguation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... xing_links)] Meshech, and Tubal; and prophesy concerning him."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-4)

10. Thus says the Lord "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind and you will make an evil plan:"[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-5)

11. You will say, "I will go against a land of unwalled villages…(FRZ)(FRZ: mostly refers to Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq) as Frz (Unwalled Villages) in the Book of Esther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Esther))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-6)

12. To take plunder and booty…"[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-7)13. Sheba and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, will say to you, "have you come to take a spoil?"[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-8) They will be joined by Persians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persia) from the East, Phut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phut) from the West, Kushites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kush) from the South, and others.
Blaise (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:41 pm We are told that Gog dwelt north of Israel, but there is little else to identify Gog in the passage. Gog and his allies are to attack "a land of unwalled villages" to collect booty, but before attacking Israel itself will be reduced to a "sixth" of their size (Ezekiel 39:2). Their reduced army will be destroyed in Israel, their dead buried in the Valley of Hamon-Go
g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Hamon-Gog)
Blaise (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:41 pm for all to see and comment on (39:15-17).

Addressing Gog and Magog, God describes how the attacks will be repelled (Ezekiel 39:1-16). The army of Gog and Magog includes people from the nations of "Gomer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer), Tubal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal), Meshech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshech), and the house of Togarmah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah) from the North", all of whom are mentioned as descendants of Japheth in Genesis 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_10). God describes the aftermath of the battle later in the same chapter, addressing "thou, son of man":

17. …,thus says the Lord, "Speak to every bird and every beast of the field, 'Assemble yourselves and come,…'"[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-9)

18. "You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams and lambs, of goats and bulls, all them fatlings of Bashan"[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#cite_note-10) Ezekiel (38 and 39) says that Gog will be defeated.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... &section=3)] New Testament

"Gog and Magog" are first mentioned as a pair in the New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament) Book of Revelation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation), which draws on the depiction of them in the older prophetic works. They appear in verses 20:7-9 (United Bible Socities' Greek New Testament - 4th revised ed.)

Re: Something worth reading

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:29 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
The article goes on if your interested. And I got one of my many bibles and read the entire chapter of Ezekiel 39. Now I don't want to piss anybody off but it sounded like God was on one of his tirades. Killing Gog for 7 days and having the birds feed on him for 7 months or some such. God burned all the ARROWS for 7 years. It goes on you must read the whole chapter for yourself. not just a part of it, read the whole thing. See what you come up with.

River

Re: Something worth reading

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:37 pm
by sag111 (imported)
Yes River God can and will get mad and have his day and thinks for taking the time to read this.Just keep an eye on what Russia and Iran do against Israel or what they will try.

Re: Something worth reading

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:02 am
by Riverwind (imported)
I read all of it, it sounds like more fantasy then anything. As for the city it could be any of dozens, from England to Russia, Ireland to somewhere in the middle east. What struck me the most in Reading the part in the Bible as how it repeats its self over and over. Very typical of the OLD testament.

What is great about it is no mater what is going on in the world you can find some verse in the bible to say SEE, of course the names are changed to protect the< wait that was somewhere else > dragnet, :) It is truly one more example of the bible trying to be everything to everybody, pick the parts you like best, build a religion.

Sag I am not trying to tick you off, but you know as well as I that this last statement is so true. Jim Jones for one. The problem is that there is no prof.

Show you how good it is. China will one day let Mongolia go. If enough time goes by this will be true. I could have said the evil empire in the south will one day take off the chains of slavery from the country to the north and God will say it is good. There will be 7 years of celebration because it is good. If you say enough of these odds are your going to get one right but it will use names like the Evil Gog from Magog.

I am not mocking you the Bible or God, I am just giving an example.

The bible I used for this research was The Holy Bible in Giant Print, King James Version, Red Letter edition from Crusade Bible Publishers,inc. Nashville, Tennessee.

To be honest, its the only one I can see, the print is just to small in the other two.

But a single passage can have little to no meaning without the rest. Having said that, years ago we were joining the Mormon Church the missionaries we at the house and my son Matthew was asked, do you have any question? Matthew ask how well they knew the Bible, Then he asked whats on Matthew 9.9. I was reminded of it because its marked in my Bible.

River

Re: Something worth reading

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:27 am
by sag111 (imported)
We study the bible every week and the old testment is so rich in what is going on today I wish I could teach you what I mean but it would be hard to do in here.Yes God will pour out his wrath and I dont want to be around to see that.Remember the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.Now that dosent mean we should be afraid but we should know him and we wont need that fear.