jane_says (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:27 pm Bobby Jindal has signed a chemical castration for rapists bill into law in Lousiana:

http://www.kalb.com/index.php/news/arti ... bill/9539/

I guess if the Supreme Court won't allow him to execute the child molesters, he'll have to settle for this.

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:35 am There has been some good academic research on the effect of castration on re-offending by pedophiles. Probably the most cited work is that by Reinhard Wille and Klaus Beier. I have posted the abstract to that article in another thread, Castration in Germany (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8762), which is the title of the article that they published in Annals of Sex Research in 1989. An up-dated article, based on further research, has been promised, but not yet published. Wille has written that the research confirms and extends the earlier ariticle.

I have also posted a brief bibliography on articles on the subject in the thread titled Rapist Castration report (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11913). The bibliography is post #7 on the thread.

The research seems to indicate that if the sex offender really wants to change and seeks the castration of his own volition in order to reduce his libido, it nearly always allows him to live a normal life and not offend again. The recidivism rate is less than 3%. (Zero is some studies.) In those cases where castration is imposed on an unwilling offender, it is far less likely to work as he will find a way around the chemical or surgical castration – not getting his shots or seeking black market testosterone.

iBorg317 (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:15 pm I normally don't post to EA. I do read in almost daily as I find the discussions enlightening. For some reason last night I took the survey. Before I go on, let me tell you a bit about me. Depending on your definition I'm a eunuch suffering from hypogandism. My testicles serve no purpose but decoration. After five or so years of HRT my genitalia has slowly shrunk to the size of a prepubescent boy. If given my choice, I would not have this life experience. If you have taken the survey, the survey is more about surgical or chemical eunuchs than medical eunuchs.

While taking the survey I had recollections of being butt raped while a 12 year old by a classmate. In many ways, those events (it happened more than once) changed me. In some ways, it killed me. It created an underlying fear and distrust of blacks. It took my innocence and has stayed as a defining moment of my youth. Last night when I answered a question I used the terms (sorry if I break the board rules) "I wish the mother fu.... was dead." That is the first time I got even write about it or otherwise mention it. How did it change me? Who would I be without that event? I'll never know. I've been married for over twenty years. I have almost had the words to bring it up to my wife on a handful of occasions. The words never have come.

Which brings me to the current discussion. Contrary to the recent Supreme Court decision (another one they got wrong), if a person rapes another beyond a shadow of a doubt, even if its a child raping a child, chemical castration is too kind. Cut those balls off, stuff them down the SOB's throat and let him bleed to death. I'm a Christian and know the Bible says to turn the other cheek. I also know that this is a demon from my past that I haven't been able to deal with in over 35 years. The memory of those events only bring anger, fear and tears. I could not speak of it then, and this is the first time, hidden as I am, that I can speak of it now.

iBorg317

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:35 am The research seems to indicate that if the sex offender really wants to change and seeks the castration of his own volition in order to reduce his libido, it nearly always allows him to live a normal life and not offend again. The recidivism rate is less than 3%. (Zero is some studies.) In those cases where castration is imposed on an unwilling offender, it is far less likely to work as he will find a way around the chemical or surgical castration – not getting his shots or seeking black market testosterone.

plix (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:18 am Try for a minute to put yourself in the shoes of a pedophile. He has desires to be sexually involved with children, just the same way you have desires to be sexually involved with men, women, or whoever/whatever your desires are for. Even though he has these desires, deep down he doesn't want to hurt anyone. But the desires are strong, and he is afraid that someday he may not be able to control them.

So he wonders if he might seek help in order to learn ways to control the desires and also have someone to talk to about them. He notices the attitudes that almost every single person in our society has toward people struggling with attraction to children, and he realizes that he absolutely cannot tell anyone. If he does, he recognizes, he will be extremely lucky if he is not stoned to death.

Since getting help for pedophilia before any offenses are committed is an absolute taboo to discuss or educate on, he is not aware that he can see a therapist and the therapist must keep his pedophilia confidential (goodness only knows when this will change though, and therapists will be required to report anyone who has ever had a single sexual thought about a 17 year-old woman who has long completed puberty). But even if he does know that, he knows that therapists are human and as such have the same tendency to judge and hate as all other humans do. So he knows that even though the therapist will act professionally and treat him with respect on the outside, on the inside the therapist is thinking, "You sick, perverted monster. You should be burned alive," and he is not comfortable with this.

Seeing that he can't seek help anywhere without risking losing his job, his family, his self-respect, and quite possibly his life, he decides it would be better not to seek help, to just keep quiet and hope for the best. One day, however, his desires do get the best of him and he performs a sexual act with a child. He is caught, arrested, and imprisoned for life. All the time he is in prison, he wonders why he couldn't seek help, why someone couldn't have been kind enough to still treat him with love and respect if he had come forward. He truly believes that if it had been safe for him to ask for help, he would have, and he never would have hurt the child, which he hates himself every day for having done. Eventually he is beaten to death by his fellow inmates for his crime.

As long as people express these sorts of hateful attitudes toward anyone struggling with this condition, they will refuse to come forward, and I do not blame them at all. Why should they even try to ask for help, when they know they will be treated as if they have already performed sexual acts with every single child in the world?

Maybe you still don't give a shit about the pedophile, and if so, that is your right. But consider this - if we actually learn to treat them with love and respect while encouraging them to seek help before they commit any crime, then maybe you will be saving the life, or at least the innocence, of a child. Perhaps that thought will be enough to convince us to change our attitudes toward these people living in such tragic circumstances.

_g (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:14 am Personally a rapest or pedophile should loose all their gentials, and have monthly tests to make shure that they have not gotten any form of T.

Or just maybe give them SRS and throw them in the male jail

Kangan (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:09 am Yes, unfortunately, the trend is more severe punishment. Why bother to castrate them if they still have to go to prison? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the illogic of that!

Along those lines -- my own feeling is that the Sex Offender Registries are not about prevention, but about punishment.

Blaise (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:25 pm s punishment even when we provide some sort of therapy (whatever that might be in any situation). Unless we can treat the sexual offender with some kindenss, we become the violators. This is a fantastic thread, the first of its kind that I recall. Thank you folks for posting.