Only thing I've ever wanted removed was my penis... never had any need or determination to have a leg or arm removed.

I agree wholeheartedly with punkypink.

Maybe I'm one of the odd ones but the physical act isn't nearly intense as the psychological fulfillment.

T.

kizahakan is my newest e-friend .

He is multi-lingual and English is not his first language nor is any Indo European language, his first.

The use of superlatives as opposed to comparatives and such should be over looked and the "meaning" behind what a person is trying to express explored. We are a collection of smarter then average people. No doubt. Please do not debate moi on this point. Because it is not the point.

The point is that we all should work harder to understand another's meaning. This might be displayed via someone responding to a message with something like, "Moi, did you really mean to say there can be no orgasm without a dick?" and then some, should someone feel that is what I wrote and disagree.

How about it ?

I cannot claim ESL (English as a Second Language) I am just a bad author.

Now on topic. AS some of us have fantasized sex with no ,

or castrated, or nullified, what about sex with a limb deficiency, Only having one arm or no legs, partner or self. Or both ! ?

kizahakan

maybe if one's focus is a full male sexual release response what you say is true.

But, imagine there are others where the anger and drives and frustrations interfere with interpersonal intimacy.

Do you believe that for a special population, sexual relationships might be more gratifying via intimacy without the drives, frustrations, anger, etc. ?

Well probably not for those loosing their and keeping their hormones.

Keep on sharing

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:21 pm kizahakan

maybe if one's focus is a full male sexual release response what you say is true.

But, imagine there are others where the anger and drives and frustrations interfere with interpersonal intimacy.

Do you believe that for a special population, sexual relationships might be more gratifying via intimacy without the drives, frustrations, anger, etc. ?

Well probably not for those loosing their and keeping their hormones.

Keep on sharing

Personally I am inclined to believe that any male who is at risk of causing physical or emotional harm to others because of that male's own personal sex drive should be permitted (if they choose) to be physically and chemically castrated; both because one may not be complete.

When the sex drive is active you think you might be distraught at loosing it. Even though I was never at risk of hurting anyone else emotionally or physically because of my sex drive, I know from personal experience that my emotional and physical life is much more at ease without a sex drive, erections, ejaculations, desire, etc., than with a sex drive. You would think that being without a sex drive would be, well, sexually frustrating. But to the contrary, it is not frustrating. You get to experience a respite and relief from sexual frustration, which is very comforting, comfortable, and a welcome relief.

In my personal experimentation, every time I re-introduce TRT into my system, there is (after awhile) a return of sexual desire and reactions. But the increased tension and sexual frustration, and loss of relaxation and freedom from tension and frustration, are double negatives. Ultimately I decrease the TRT drastically to a dose that will hopefully help me avoid the negative consequences of andropause, and maintain some energy and focus, and avoid the tension and frustrations that come with even a moderate level sex drive.

Remember when you were pre-puberty? No sex drive. Life was good. Then puberty kicked in and nature took over and mind over matter became futile and sexual chaos followed.

Post-andropause is similar.

Except that pre-puberty you didn't know what you were "missing" or what lay ahead.

Post-andropause you now know what you are missing, and you are glad for it.

A lot of problems might be avoided if our semen was collected just after we entered puberty, frozen, and saved for future use, (should we want to use it) and we were then castrated. It might drastically reduce, or even eliminate domestic violence, wars, corporate greed.........but we will never know.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:14 pm kizahakan is my newest e-friend .

He is multi-lingual and English is not his first language nor is any Indo European language, his first.

The use of superlatives as opposed to comparatives and such should be over looked and the "meaning" behind what a person is trying to express explored. We are a collection of smarter then average people. No doubt. Please do not debate moi on this point. Because it is not the point.

The point is that we all should work harder to understand another's meaning. This might be displayed via someone responding to a message with something like, "Moi, did you really mean to say there can be no orgasm without a dick?" and then some, should someone feel that is what I wrote and disagree.

How about it ?

I cannot claim ESL (English as a Second Language) I am just a bad author.

Now on topic. AS some of us have fantasized sex with no ,

or castrated, or nullified, what about sex with a limb deficiency, Only having one arm or no legs, partner or self. Or both ! ?

Thnx alot for making this more clear and once more let me express that I am not and can not be in a position to judge or critise people never ever... Thnx 4 the understanding once more...

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:49 am Remember when you were pre-puberty? No sex drive. Life was good. Then puberty kicked in and nature took over and mind over matter became futile and sexual chaos followed.

Post-andropause is similar.

Except that pre-puberty you didn't know what you were "missing" or what lay ahead.

Post-andropause you now know what you are missing, and you are glad for it.

Beautifully said, I couldn't agree more.

From VERY young child I have never had dreams that I saw myself having legs.

Never. I am soon to be 57 and to this day when I dream I never have legs. I either "swim/fly" in air or I hand walk backwards. IF, in my dream, I do something that requires legs such as push a clutch, start to walk up stairs etc. I instantly wake up.

I usually begin sobbing uncontrollably when I discover that I am awake and back in my body with legs. . I find myself in deep depression. As a child I use to cross my legs yoga style and put on a pair of my dad's pants and "be" the legless man. This was a daily practice. I was an expert at handwalking.

I remember being a baby not being able to sit up by myself. Mother was pulling me in a wagon. I was propped up with pillows. I vividly remember seeing my feet and lifting my legs to look at them. I fell out of the wagon. I knew then that I was not supposed to have legs.

I remember the first time I saw an amputee. I was about 10 or 11 years old. HE was a double above the knee amputee. I gasped at the sight of him. "HE has my body" I thought to myself. Needing to be an amputee is in my mind every day all day long.

In my life I have had relationships with 6 men who are amputees. I don't see it as a sexual attraction. I feel comfortable around amputees. I always have something to say to start a conversation. I know a lot about prosthetics and amputee issues. If I see a man that I'm attracted to and he is able-bodied, I ma too shy to even say HI. I know that I would be hiding a deep dark secret that I need to be a DAK amputee. Extremely frustrating.

I'm singe. I do not date. I have also removed the glans of my penis. Genital modifications started about the time I was 10 years old. I have tried to understand "WHY?". I can only assume that my desire to remove my penis is to compensate for not being legless. I started a yahoo group to gather information on the subject. I have found that 62% of the men polled who are attracted to genital modifications are also attracted to amputees. Some are also wannabes.

I recently brought this subject to the attention of my mental health professional at the VA hospital. She is new and working on her degree and license. She has never had the chance to study anyone with BIID. SHE is very easy to talk to and accepting of me. Although, I am very careful as to how I talk to her and I do choose my words carefully, I feel like I have been allowed to come out of the BIID closet. The VA also took X-rays and MRI of my right knee which had 2 botched surgeries in 1995.... I am wondering if anyone else has dreams of being limbless. o me that is a very interesting study. Especially since it concerns ME.

Anyone who wants their balls chopped off is NUTS. ( my poor attempt at a pun)

chop off the legs and arms and call him BOB.

River