I guess the same can be said for Moses, as when you read the first 5 books of the Bible it looks like it was written by 5 different people. OH Well, we will never know for sure and should it really matter? If you wait long enough the number 86 bus will show up for sure.

River

So how did Christianity get started?

Christianity was part of God's cosmic plan before the world was created. The church age began on Pentecost. The Christian church is founded on believing this statement, "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God." Believers were first called Christians in Antioch. Mystery solved.

Love

randy.

randy (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:28 pm Christianity was part of God's cosmic plan before the world was created. The church age began on Pentecost. The Christian church is founded on believing this statement, "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God." Believers were first called Christians in Antioch. Mystery solved.

Love

randy.

So this means that God knew when he created Man that Man would mess up and sin, forcing God to invest a part of himself in a human, so that he could be killed and therefore save those creatures he knew were going to fuck up in the first place? Hmmm...yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

If God knew all this from the first, doesn't that make him the worst kind of sadist? You've just pinned all the evils of the world on God.

Mystery solved? Better take another look, Randy.

Maybe, you should stay away from the keyboard. Everything you type makes God seem more implausible.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:08 pm So this means that God knew when he created Man that Man would mess up and sin, forcing God to invest a part of himself in a human, so that he could be killed and therefore save those creatures he knew were going to fuck up in the first place? Hmmm...yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

If God knew all this from the first, doesn't that make him the worst kind of sadist? You've just pinned all the evils of the world on God.

Mystery solved? Better take another look, Randy.

Maybe, you should stay away from the keyboard. Everything you type makes God seem more implausible.

God is a creator. Creation is in His nature. Yes God knew man would reject Him. He loved His children so much that He created us despite having to humble Himself at Calvary. I am glad He chose to do so.

I did not pin all the evil of the world on God, He said it Himelf; "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil." God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked and is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Anybody without a spirit will see Godly things as implausible, because God is a spirit.

Love

randy.

Off topic but every time I see this thread it reads as "So how did Christina get started?"

I miss her. She's still on my fiends list on yahoo messenger.

Jema, she is still on my list too,

Randy, I too believe in GOD, however I do believe my GOD is better then your GOD. I can see her every day and night, I don't need to look for her in some building or in a book, I just need to go outside.

Now, my God may not be real, then again your God may not be real either, my God does not have all these hangups that your God has, she never splits her self up to make a point. I guess my God is better then your God.

The damn thing about it though, is neither one can be proved, contrary to your popular belief the Bible is not proof.

Keep your love, I don't need it, I get all the love I need from my CAT.

River, the happy Druid.

Mmm, one of the most crazy things about the Abrahamic religions is that they incult into the followers a sense of sin. The concept of sin is an extremely destructive concept and leads to self-loathing. It is anti life.

This does not mean that there is not such a thing as wrongdoing or to put it in more humanistic terms, we all make mistakes driven from ego most of the time.

The point that gets me about Christianity and the Jesus story is that he supposedly died for our sins. What a dis-empowering assertion! It takes away the responsibility for ones own actions and gives it to another. If one cannot be responsible for ones actions and people belive it, then the power it gives the priests and I am thinking here primarily of the Cathlic Church is overwhelming.

From my perspective you are the only one responsible for your own actions!

For above reasons I have been drawn towards the teachings of the first rationalist/humanist, Budda! But even with his follows the bullshit that has been generated by the clergy is to copcious to cope with.

Lesley (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:06 am The point that gets me about Christianity and the Jesus story is that he supposedly died for our sins. What a dis-empowering assertion! It takes away the responsibility for ones own actions and gives it to another. If one cannot be responsible for ones actions and people belive it, then the power it gives the priests and I am thinking here primarily of the Cathlic Church is overwhelming.

From my perspective you are the only one responsible for your own actions!

Which brings me back to Judaism. We are responsible for our sins, and on Yom Kippur we fast and ask for His forgiveness. We don't know if He accepts it or not, and no one can just absolve you. The 10 days leading up to it, you are supposed to be reflecting on the past year and ask forgivess to those you've wronged. You can ask them three times to forgive you, if the won't, after the 3rd time the sin is then on them.

I've often thought Christianity was created because it was easier to get absolved of your sins than in Judaism..."This is too hard, lets figure out something simpler where everyone can go to heaven!"

Batman

Well,...

...it was started so that those who wanted to believe in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would have yet another reason to hate and to kill each other and to kill everyone else who did not do their bidding...

...Sinical is not a two-wheeled contraption that you pedal with a vibrating seat...

Batman,

As an agnostic/atheist with Buddish tendencys, I am not seeking forgiveness from any God.

I am seeking understanding and reconciliation from my fellow human beings.

An example being the Justice and Reconciliation Commision in South Africa.