I'm in complete agreement with the last four posts here. The changes you will go through will be rather drastic at first and it takes a good long time to get used to them.I joked a little about my chemical castration and about the depression. I told all that I'd been depressed most of my life, so, it didn't worry me,but, then, in reality, it was much worse. For a long time, I wasn't able to function at all and then all the really bad thoughts set in, that I don't care to go into at this time. Please, if you've never experienced anything like severe depression, don't do the final cut first, go the chemical route first!!!

At least you will have the chance to change your mind and to regroup!!! At least by doing the chemical route, you will be able to regulate your rate and be able to take your time to get used to things, but, with the final cut you will be stuck and forced to live with it, and take it from me it's no fun!! Please listen to what all the fine people on this board are telling you and take it slow.

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:19 am The first thing that God says to Adam and Eve in the Bible is "Be fruitful and multiply." God is fully in favor of sex, why else would He have gone to so much trouble to make the equipment?

Actually, he didn't say this first, (if he said it all, we just go on faith that he did, since the bible says he did) he said it AFTER they ate of the forbidden fruit. What he said to them first was DON'T eat the



Joking aside, getting castrated for this purpose, reminds me of the Heaven's Gate cult. There are other ways to control your sexual impulses, in fact that is the very definition of control. Control is not about changing the parameters of the test for a satisfactory outcome. Good luck to you.

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By using the word "culture" I was delineating the followers of western religions from the actual biblical teachings. That "western" culture, IE: Judeo/Christian culture had somehow become warped from the actual religious teachings of the bible, making the common man's perception of sex as something dirty, and that God dislikes sex.

While many in the west see sex as dirty and illicit, God does not. It is a common misrepresentation of the bible, that is used by religious leaders to intimidate and control their flocks...

I an not going to try to talk you out of castration. Trying to have a rational conversation about castration is impossible. You have all the answers. You just know your how your body and mind will change because you talked to others. You say you can handle depression, yet you say that you never experienced depression. I can not see any rational thinking that you can say you can handle depression. Depression is one of the most common mental problems people experience in life. I have not heard of anyone that has not gone through at least some form of depression after castration. The depression comes in many forms. For many it may be very minor.

Randy do you realize that castration only effects part of sexual part of the body? There is another organ if you call it an organ that has a major efect on how our body is effected on how we react to and with people. Many say the brain is the master sex organ. The brain controls erections. You can still get an erection, and even orgasm just with mental though. Grant it that it is much harder but can still happen. You can still see a good looking person coming down the street and have a reaction. May be very greatly reduced but just the same the brain does notice. It is part of our who we are.

You said that a lot of this castration desire was when you were born again. It changed your life. I know a great many people that were "born again". Let me pose a question to you. Something that was so fantastic happened to your life and changed it once could not something even greater happen later in your life. Have a second coming and be reborn again and find the castration is not part of that plan? just a thought.

I like many who have been trying to help you have been around this site for a long time. Many of us are castrated. We have gone through what will be happing to you. Some of your questions you ask are hard to really explain. Think of it is of trying to explain to a blind man what color is like. It is hard to relate things that you have to really experience to understand. That is why we suggest the chemical castration. We know that is not in your plans for it would a waste of time for you.

Randy please promise to keep up informed on a monthly or at least on a quarterly basis on you life changes and how greatly it has changed in so many different aspects. Let us know how you have been beating the depression from effecting your life.

We have a major problem in this site. So many guys like you are so sure of them self and how they will control the effects of castration. We here very much about them before castration. Once done they seem to go away and we no longer here from them. One would thing that if they were happy with their new life of being an eunuch they would come back and tell every one how great it is. Come back and tell guys like me how very wrong I was in warning them of the possible outcome. You would think they would be encouraging others. They just do not seem to. If they are not happy then can we assume that they are ashamed to show up and admit how wrong they were and right we were?

Some are castrated and are happy with out the test drive. The ones with a long term age desire that has been part of them for many years are often happy. The ones that are on the younger side seem to be the unhappy more often for they did not experience enough of what life is all about first. The ones that take the longer road, chemical castration test are the most happiest.

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randy (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:24 pm i pondered it for about a week and concluded that with my decision im not getting in a cab and saying just take me anywhere away from here. what i am doing is telling the driver to take me to seattle, i like rain, coffee, and not seeing the sun for weeks at a time. what i am saying is that castration is not a mystery to me.

Your analogy is flawed. It's not like moving to Seattle, you are more like Columbus, heading off for Asia.

The one thing you don't seem to understand yet is that the map is not the territory. You are in effect proclaiming yourself a master handyman after watching a home renovation marathon on television.

Reading about castration, studying it, researching it, is not the same as actually being there. There's a vast difference, and blithely assuming everything's gonna be just great is a recipe for disaster.

randy (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:24 pm my biggest concern mentally is depression. i have never had depression and i do not think i will get depression post op. i am a very strong stable minded fellow. if i had to take that ring from the lord of the rings across middle earth i could slip it on a be totally fine and at some point along the way i would think man this is boring... and golum whatever your name is youre going to have to bring it down a notch sir. anyway i have been proactive and studied depression and am prepared to take it on if it rears its ugly head.

the biggest physical effect will be susceptibility to osteoporosis. i will need to change my diet and lifestyle which will be a plus for my over all health. those are the only 2 i will mention but i know the others possible side effects and will address them as they become prevalent to me. considering the worst the good outweighs the bad. also i do not plan on going ton HRt to keep my sex drive low.

grace and peace

randy

updates to follow?

Quite honestly, if you think depression has anything at all to do with mental strength, you are deeply misguided and in for a surprise. In fact, I tend to find that those who have gone through depression are stronger mentally than those who have not.

However, as you've made up your mind (and you seem to have done so before ever arriving here), it's your life. Just remember, warnings can't help if you fail to listen. You don't know what the outcome will be. If you did, you wouldn't be here, you'd be off making a fortune in Vegas and in the lotto.

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randy (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:24 pm my biggest concern mentally is depression. i have never had depression and i do not think i will get depression post op. i am a very strong stable minded fellow. / anyway i have been proactive and studied depression and am prepared to take it on if it rears its ugly head.

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I would have said the same thing about myself yet I was "diagnosed" with "depression" when I went in to see why my sex drive was nil and my wife was always mad at me and I could not think as clearly as well as loosing my ability to made decisions and having anxiety attacks. Low hormones was the problem and they all were solved when I went on HRT. I know my situation is not the same as anyone elses but this is the "norm" not the exception.

If your having problems now adding a series of new ones won't solve this. And having a strong sex drive is not such a bad problem *trust me it gets less as you age! Would not addressing the issue of Porn etc be of more value and make you a better person?

Hormones are more powerful then you give them credit for. Its not just a chemical that controls your sex drive. Your mood, energy, ability to think are ALL tied to your hormones. Its true some people are more (Or less) effected by low to no levels of them. And some get used to low levels while others do not but the most important point is that you don't know - what you don't know. And you can NOT know what its like without being castrated. And once they are gone your options shrink. I'm now 2x your age. There is no way I would jump into this at your age. Some people are suggesting chemical castration to test drive it. Frankly I think a far better plan is to seek a professional to talk to about this and deal with the source of the problem not the symptoms. Have you spoken to any clergy? Do you think any of them would suggest this course of action? Have you talked to a mental health expert? One or both of these options allow you to talk out your problems and perhapes resolve them without sliding over to an operating table and having your testes amputated.

God Bless you!

Hate to say it this way, but just wait 'til that first hot flash hits him...

Been there, done that...hormone fall-off, no matter how it happens, is just a b*tch to deal with.

Then again, perhaps learning the hard way is best for some?

Randy has asked me to comment on the theology involved in Christian castration.

I’m always very reluctant to get involved in any theological argument. It’s a rat’s nest of conflicting arguments made over the 2,000 years of church history. Even an appeal to the “original documents’ is difficult, as we only have copies of copies of copies of the originals of those pieces that were compiled into the New Testament. The surviving texts and fragments of texts from the first few centuries of the Christian era show many differences in meaning, some of them quite serious. It has been claimed that there are more significant differences in the existing early copies than there are total words in the New Testament. Many of the decisions about which version to use when the final New Testament was compiled were political, rather than theological, ones. Even the decision as to which books to include was largely political, as there were many more early texts that were excluded than included. Many of them were considered to be canonical by one or more of the early Christian communities. The Acts of Thecla, for example, was revered right down through the Middle Ages, though it was condemned by the church heirarchy as far too woman-centered. Thecla was converted to Christian belief by Paul and traveled with him.

The most famous of the non-included works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, which had been known by name since early days, but of which an actual copy was only discovered in the Egyptian village of Nag Hamadi in 1945. Probably of greater theological import is part of a longer version of the Gospel of Mark that was discovered in 1958 in the library of the Greek Orthodox monastery of Mar Saba, located southeast of Jerusalem. It was referred to by some early Christain writers, but seemed to have disappeared. The document that was discovered dates to the middle of the second century, but it disturbs many contemporary Christian theologians because of its homoerotic overtones, e.g., this passage following the canonical Mark 10:34:

They came to Bethany, and a woman was there whose brother had died. She came and prostrated herself before Jesus, saying to him, “Son of David, have mercy on me.” But his disciples rebuked her. Jesus became angry and went off with her to the garden where the tomb was.

Immediately a loud voice was heard from the tomb. Jesus approached and rolled the stone away from the entrance to the tomb. Immediately he went in where the young man was, stretched out his hand, and raised him by seizing his hand.

The young man looked at him intently and loved him; and he began pleading with him that he might be with him. When they came out of the tomb they went to the young man’s house, for he was wealthy.

And after six days Jesus gave him a command. And when it was evening the young man came to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. He stayed with him that night, for Jesus was teaching him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. When he got up from there, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.

And, there are many other passages in very early Christian documents that contemporary Christians are likely to find profoundly disturbing. Tertullian (circa 160–225), a prolific author of early Christian works and considered by many to be the founder of Latin Christianity, makes the claim that the historical Jesus was a eunuch, as was the author of the Gospel of Matthew. This was believed by some early Christian communities and one such, the Valensians, believed that all true Christian males must be castrated. They were in the habit of kidnapping and castrating boys and men in order to save their souls.

The strongest competitor to Christianity in the Roman Empire in the early centuries of the Christian Era was the faith centered on the Mother of the Gods. Her consort, Attis, was self-castrated and the priests dedicated to her worship were eunuchs. There is strong evidence in early Christian writings that castration and eunuchs were denigrated partly to counter the influence of this competing faith. The Vatican was built on top of the largest temple in Rome dedicated to the Mother of the Gods and the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore (the largest church in Rome dedicated to Mary, Mother of God) is built on top of the site where the testicles of new priests of the Mother of the Gods were buried.

That the First Council of Nicea (325 CE) spent such an inordinate about of time and effort on the question of castration of Christian believers and on the position of eunuchs within the church heirarchy clearly indicates that it was a topic that generated a great deal of controversy. That the Council eventually decided to condemn the practice of Christian castration did not abolish the practice. It continued down to quite modern times in some branches of the church. Many of the Eastern patriarchs were eunuchs right down to the 15th century. There is evidence that monks in some Ethiopian monasteries were still being castrated to maintain celebacy as recently as the 19th century. The Skoptzy, a Russian Orthodox sect founded in 1721, probably did not invent the practice themselves, but adopted it from something in the rural church. The Skoptzy were still active as late as the beginning of World War II.

Without even going to the question of the castrati in the choirs of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople and later in Catholic choirs in the west (as recently as 1914 in official Catholic history, but possibly as recently as 1956), you can see that the issue of castration is highly contentious within the history of Christianity. The modern church (in all its world-wide variety) seems to have come out uniformly against the practice, but there is all of the history to contend with.

Having read a great deal of early Christian writings and having enjoyed theological argumentation for years, I think that the single strongest case that can be made FOR Christian castration within the texts that were compiled into the New Testament is the celebrated passage in Matthew 19:12

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. [KJV]

This passage clearly does not require true Christians to become eunuchs (the Valensians were wrong), but it does PERMIT it if certain conditions are met.

At the time that Jesus uttered these words, eunuchs were common enough in the eastern part of the Roman Empire that all who heard or read this KNEW at least one. They had first hand experience of what castration meant both physiologically and psychologically. Becoming a eunuch was, by no means, a leap into the unknown.

Today, there are not eunuchs surrounding us to provide living examples. To know if you are “able to receive it,” you need to do far more research. With the invention of chemical castration, you are able to make a better estimate of whether or not you are able. I think that the words of Jesus, if applied to today’s world, would require, at the very least, a trial period of chemical castration – six months minimum, a year better. It would also require a thorough examination of your own motives and personal background leading you toward this choice.

It is clearly NOT a decision to be made lightly, or in haste.

My advice would be to slow down….

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:34 pm It is clearly NOT a decision to be made lightly, or in haste.

My advice would be to slow down

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Well said my friend!

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