Wikipedia “Eunuch”

[Spadone_<3 (imported)]

"Spadone" is the name of the long-swords Gladiators use. Do U think they were trying to insult the person? Strange that they would use such an archaic word and not call him a eunuch.

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HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Talk:Eunuch_(court_official)#Splitting)& thus:

No, it's more like an article about apples (Eunuchs) & discussing different kinds of apples (castrati, court officials, spadon). If U want to add a paragraph about the historical (archaic), Latin definition of Spadon under Roman Law in this article, okay but you were wrong to split the articles without discussion first and, the article about Spadones does a poor job of documenting the definition. Even impotent men could be Spadon. Not even sure your Latin grammar is correct. BTW, there was no "confusion," until you split the articles! So, is Tom DeLay a eunuch (Court Official)?

There were three different types of eunuch identifiable by the three different methods of castration. The slaves whose penis and testes had both been severed were called castrati by the Romans and sandali or es-sendelle by the Arabs. Spadones was the word used to describe those eunuchs whose testicles had been literally torn from their bodies, but not cut off. By far the most common method of emasculation was to detach the testicles by a single cut, and these eunuchs, who were called thlibias or semivir, retained their penis. Source: COLIN BLAKEMORE and SHELIA JENNETT. "eunuchs." The Oxford Companion to the Body. Oxford University Press. 2001.

In Original Bible texts ";eunuch"; is described as saris (Old Testament, Hebrew) or eunouchos (New Testament, Greek). However, both words could also mean ";official"; or ";commander";. The 38 original Bible references to saris and 2 references to eunouchos were studied in order to determine their meaning in context. In the Septuagint saris was translated as eunouchos, except for Genesis 37:36 and Isaiah 39:7 where spadon was used,

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rce: (Acta Theologica: 2002 22(2): 114-125)

Page 102 HERE gives a definition of Spado as castrated.

26 October 2009 (UTC)This appears to be an idiosyncratic attempt by an individual pursuing his private agenda. The goal of a proper encyclopedia, such as Wikipedia, is to survey and summarize the existing data, not to create an entirely new vision.

While I have a great many problems with this strange division of the “Eunuch” article into two parts, I will restrict myself to just a few of them. Enough, I hope, to get this reversed.

First of all, while “spadone” may be occasionally used in English language text as if it were an English word, it it most commonly used as a Latin word and glossed as “eunuch” in English. It is rare enough that it does not even occur in the 20 volume Oxford English Dictionary. Even if it were used correctly, it would seem very strange to use such a rare term as an article title in any English language encyclopedia.

Second, changing “eunuch” to “spadone” has perverted existing scholarship. For example, the author has changed “Male-to-Eunuch” gender dysphoria to “Male-to-Spadone” in a paragraph which has citations to three published articles in refereed medical journals which describe it as Male-to-Eunuch. Presentations titled, “The Development of Standards of Care for Individuals with a Male-to-Eunuch Gender Identity Disorder” were made at the 2009 meetings of both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and the World Association for Sexual Health. A version of it has been submitted for publication to the International Journal of Transgenderism.

“Male-to-Eunuch” is likely to be the useage

in the next edition of the Harry Benjamin Standards.

The document working its way up through the layers of committees toward the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition, specifies “Male-to-Eunuch,” not “Male-to-Spadone.”

Third, it seems to make little sense to have a division that puts provincial governors together with lowly harem attendants in one category and to lump military generals, religious fanatics, and singers in another. The division seems highly arbitrary and irrational.

It would be far better to recombine the articles and then to logica

lly discuss differences within the ca

tegory.

If nothing happens in a week or so, I'll notify some administrators HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_ ... BT_studies) .

[JesusA (imported)]

The Wikipedia article has been restored and repaired. I'd like to thank Spadone_<3 for his efforts on this. Sometimes rationality prevails.

[devi (imported)]

Maybe if there was a sliding scale on eunuchism then 10 would equal full male or female. Then 9 would equal chemical after maturation and vascectomy would be and 8. Then hysterectomy or castration post maturation would be equal to 7. Full non-maturation would be a 1 (most unlikely). Maybe 6 and 5 would be adolescent and 2,3 and 4 would be pre-adolescent or something like that. I don't know. This obviously isn't quite right but it could be made to work.