Physical Sign of Being Transexual

[mrt (imported)]

MrT, I think your test has to do with center of gravity. Most women carry more weight in there caboose.

Yes but do these pants make my butt look big?

[jemagirl (imported)]

Yes but do these pants make my butt look big?

No those pants don't make your butt look big. It's the ice cream that does that. Ooooh I sooo bad

[jemagirl (imported)]

My arms taper outward, but I thought everyone's would. Me confused.

[punkypink (imported)]

Jema, apparently some people don't. I'm not sure how reliable this is in indicating transsexualism. I've also yet to ask any girls to try this out, or test if the reverse is true with FtMs.

[Florismart (imported)]

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Did you ever do the one where you put a chair down step back just enough to bend forward, lean your head against the wall and try to grab the chair and stand up? "Men" can't but women can. And me for whatever reason?!?! :-\

I understand the reason for that is that men's musculature structure favors the chest and shoulders -- lifting and carrying heavy weights high up, and women's musculature structure favors the abdomen and hips -- lifting and carrying heavy weights down low. Having a musculature structure that favors lifting low would do you well in picking up the chair and standing. Someone with male musculature would be better served squatting next to the chair and lifting it, using (his) arms, chest, and upper back to do the lifting. Bent over, you'd be using the muscles of your lower back and abdomen.

[transward (imported)]

I think this is a case where subtle differences between men and women bodies are amplified by learned behavior to become a sexual sign. The average man’s shoulders are wider than his hips. Women are usually the reverse. When a man swings his arms they clear his hips. With women, the shoulders being narrower than the hips, if they swing their arms straight down, they bump into their hips, so their arms have to angle out for clearance. When transsexuals try to lean to walk like women the first thing they are told is to rotate their thumbs out, which also has the nice side effect of thrusting the breasts out for admiration. So a rather subtle difference becomes a sexual identifier.

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[punkypink (imported)]

I think this is a case where subtle differences between men and women bodies are amplified by learned behavior to become a sexual sign. The average man’s shoulders are wider than his hips. Women are usually the reverse. When a man swings his arms they clear his hips. With women, the shoulders being narrower than the hips, if they swing their arms straight down, they bump into their hips, so their arms have to angle out for clearance. When transsexuals try to lean to walk like women the first thing they are told is to rotate their thumbs out, which also has the nice side effect of thrusting the breasts out for admiration. So a rather subtle difference becomes a sexual identifier.

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But ive never learned or even bothered to try to walk like a woman. I'm comfortable being a tomboy. I do think that it isn't an accurate indicator at all. I've since conducted the test on YET another cisgendered male and he has arms that taper outwards as well.

Out of 6 subjects so far, I've only had one whose arms hang straight, while the other 5 all have arms that taper outwards. Out of those 5, only one has any likelihood of being transgendered, the other 4 are quite reliably cisgendered.

I am wont to believe that tapered arms when in a "thumbs out" position aren't even a subtle biological difference, much less one that could be amplified to become a sexual identifier via learned behaviour.

I will continue to conduct the test and report my findings here, but I am believing more and more that there is no basis for saying that the way one's arms are shaped when the palm is facing forward is indicative of transsexualism in physical males.

I am also worried that some transwomen are focusing on such false "indicators" for their validation, or that they place over-emphasis on learned behaviour. Personally, I feel learned behaviour can only bring one so far. Without any sort of self-certainty of one's own gender identity or confidence, one would simply end up a caricature of a woman rather than being one. Afterall, not all transwomen are girly feminine sort of girls, just as not all cisgendered girls are the girly feminine sort. Ultimately, being a woman, is as simple as being yourself. As I say, let the real you shine.

[punkypink (imported)]

Thus far I have 10 subjects now.

One is intersexed (XXY), male identified, no physical evidence of testicles in existance, started taking T only at age 14, on T for 10 years.

One MtF transsexual just starting transition.

One is physically male but suspected to be transsexual.

The remaining 7 are all cisgendered.

Out of 10 tests done, only 2 have parallel arms (Intersexed male and a cisgendered male)

6 cisgendered male have outward tapering arms.

1 MtF transsexual has outward tapering arms.

1 suspected-MtF trans male has outward tapering arms.

I'm running a poll on a site frequented by lots of cisgendered males (and quite a few transwomen). Results will be announced when I feel the sample size is sufficiently large to be considered conclusive.

[kizahakan (imported)]

Mixed messages... My arms turn out with the thumb test. On the other hand, I can't pick up the chair and stand up, either.

Hush sister, this test is for men and women hush u r a Nun- special to urself

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Greetings from istanbul ah once the mighty constantinople

[transward (imported)]

But ive never learned or even bothered to try to walk like a woman. I'm comfortable being a tomboy. I do think that it isn't an accurate indicator at all. I've since conducted the test on YET another cisgendered male and he has arms that taper outwards as well.

Out of 6 subjects so far, I've only had one whose arms hang straight, while the other 5 all have arms that taper outwards. Out of those 5, only one has any likelihood of being transgendered, the other 4 are quite reliably cisgendered.

I am wont to believe that tapered arms when in a "thumbs out" position aren't even a subtle biological difference, much less one that could be amplified to become a sexual identifier via learned behaviour.

I will continue to conduct the test and report my findings here, but I am believing more and more that there is no basis for saying that the way one's arms are shaped when the palm is facing forward is indicative of transsexualism in physical males.

I am also worried that some transwomen are focusing on such false "indicators" for their validation, or that they place over-emphasis on learned behaviour. Personally, I feel learned behaviour can only bring one so far. Without any sort of self-certainty of one's own gender identity or confidence, one would simply end up a caricature of a woman rather than being one. Afterall, not all transwomen are girly feminine sort of girls, just as not all cisgendered girls are the girly feminine sort. Ultimately, being a woman, is as simple as being yourself. As I say, let the real you shine.

Go to http://www.biomotionlab.ca/Demos/BMLwalker.html

click on the button "lines", then move the slider back and forth on the male - female axis. You should be able to see clearly what I mean about the angle of the forearm being a sexual indicator. And these indicators have been tested across a number of cultures.

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