Do not judge too soon

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Well you do have to be a bit careful who you approach if they don't ask for help. I once tapped an elderly obviously poor and somewhat distressed woman on the shoulder to offer her a $20 bill. The outcome was most embarrassing. She shouted and screamed at me as if I had assaulted her and everyone stopped and stared. Its a wonder I wasn't arrested. She was still shouting as I got on my train which fortunately came along at the right time.

Learned my lesson. Only donate to the people who solicit aid and ignore the rest.

Just a few hours ago I visited a restaurant near my home. There was a young boy, maybe ten or eleven years old helping out by serving ice cubes.

My eyes told him exactly what they were seeing. A dream of a beauty and handicapped with two malformed legs. He could easy be a next generation victom of AGENT ORANGE.

As we went out, I had my friend a 2000dong note as a gift for the young boy.

The poor fellow accepted this shit fee and as they are teached he thanked me for it. It didn't work, his family has been asking around to find out my address, and together with the little beauty they came to see me. He had found a 500.000dong note inside the bill I spend for him. That must have been a mistake. They were honest people and they wanted to pay it back to me. My little friend explained them that I had been hiding that note very carefully inside the 2000 dong bill and that there was no mistake....

Loi cam on nhiuew They understand and respect a real gift. Just lucky for me, that I have normal people around me

LoveUall

Jean

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

I think somebody needs to point out that the founder of the Christian franchise left clear instructions about being judgmental. He said specifically

“Judge not.” And note he did not say “

Judge not, lest you upset the delicate sensibilities of those you are judging.” He said, “Judge not or risk damning your immortal soul.”

That pretty much agrees with m own experiences. For the least ten years my day job has been cooking for the homeless and for the drug and alcohol program run by the local Catholic Community Services, and at night I ran support groups for trans people. There is no end to judgmental people, who blame the homeless or the alcoholic or the transsexual, for all their problems. And most of these people attribute their judgment to Christianity. It seems the more judgmental they are the more shrunken, dried up and small souled they are. I invite you to compare the souls of Fred Phelps and Mother Theresa. One has a bitter pinched shriveled soul and one a loving kind soul. And I would note that Mother Theresa did not ask her charges,

“Do you deserve aid?” She simply asked “Are you cold and hungry and suffering?”

Transward

Thanks for this posting, and thanks for the good work that you are doing.

But why do we always need to refer to something like:

the founder of the Christian franchise.

Where do we hide our own power to say things as they are. If we know these things, maybe we should teach and take the risk that people JUDGE us and laugh about us. I don't want to hide behind him, and I have exactly the same message

“

Judge not or risk damning your immortal soul.

”

IloveUall

Jean

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Possibly, we speak of different types or levels of, "judging".

My post has been about individuals judging their own action via their choice and a loss of this as we witness the greed and legal thievery going on.

I also asked the question of when would a friend, tell a friend they crossed a moral or ethical boundary. In my H.O.A. we have such immoral, unethical and illegal goings on and those who know it, still fall in line. No one comes forward and speaks that it is wrong to yell at old people at H.O.A. meetings for example or to give friends a free pass on usual and customary procedures or to sell one's own goods to the H.O.A. because one is a Director on the Board. These are not unusual or isolated, but very routine with many H.O.A.s I spoke up but, was chastised for it. I feel my neighbor's have let me down in that they know it is wrong, they know the facts, yet they play ball with the perps. I feel that as individuals we have a responsibility to judge the actions of others.

I sympathize for an emotional outburst at a grocery store. A couple years ago the pressures of life got so hard that a little thing at the store just uncorked me at an employee. Next day I brought them and the store employee coffee area some treats. So I understand, loosing it. And yes I wish all those plastic card people could opt for funny money as in the old days and cash only lines would reappear. I Hate Plastic Delays !

An emothional uncorking is different then a concerted secret effort by an H.O.A. with the attitude that no one can really take them to court. What about judging the more cerebral choices of others ? Certainly, Madoff and Ken Lay did not act alone yet no one has come forward and said they discussed how wrong it all was.

There most certainly are different levels of Judging. But basic they are the same. I get the feeling that you are missing a very important point.

So please, I don't want to JUDGE you, I want to teach, with all the respect I can offer you.

I like to offer you a journey, here on the board to a nice place (Syouwha)

It is save, no-one is going to hurt you or laugh about you.

Do you accept?

loveUall

Jean

[moi621 (imported)]

There most certainly are different levels of Judging. But basic they are the same. I get the feeling that you are missing a very important point.

So please, I don't want to JUDGE you, I want to teach, with all the respect I can offer you.

I like to offer you a journey, here on the board to a nice place (Syouwha)

It is save, no-one is going to hurt you or laugh about you.

Do you accept?

loveUall

Jean

Sent you a PM. No need to take a crowd along our journey. Moi

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Sent you a PM. No need to take a crowd along our journey. Moi

Thanks for your PM, I've read it and answered it. That was not what I had in mind as I offered you that journey. Maybe Syouwha is a beautiful place and more people should know about this tourist free paradise

loveU

Jean

[nullorchis (imported)]

Moral of the stories:

Don't go grocery shopping.

Don't go to a restaurant to dine in, take out, or drive through. Stay home.

Order your groceries via the internet and have them delivered.

Order pizza to be delivered. Don't make person to person contact with the person delivering it - have them leave it outside the door.

It's a jungle out there.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, and they sure do (and of course their opinion is always correct, absolute, never wrong, so you need not bother having an opinion). Desiderata.

[moi621 (imported)]

Exactly why I have adopted an agoraphobic life style.

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Exactly why I have adopted an agoraphobic life style.

Maybe I can understand. Life was draging me along to that side.

I made a turn. My love is for the people I love, and I am in danger every day.

But I ' ve accepted that I cannot stop people from judging me, even if I try to hide. I ' ve nothing to hide, my love is real, and I am prepared to die for it

Or see it this way,...I am just to chicken to become an agrophobic

LoveUall

Jean

[moi621 (imported)]

Maybe I can understand. Life was draging me along to that side.

I made a turn. My love is for the people I love, and I am in danger every day.

But I ' ve accepted that I cannot stop people from judging me, even if I try to hide. I ' ve nothing to hide, my love is real, and I am prepared to die for it

Or see it this way,...I am just to chicken to become an agrophobic

LoveUall

Jean

Jean With All Respect

Take a time out !

Being a "newbie", you will find this is a relatively courteous Board.

Many here have shared with each other for years. Assumptions or suggestions about my life, are just plain rude.

Those who know me know - "what made me agoraphobic". Jean did not share in that experience here on the Board.

Jean, you have sure done a hell of a lot of posting. May I humbly suggest during your "time out", you look at some of the Board that may be of interest to you and visit some threads written relatively long ago. See the names of contributors that you might recognize from the threads you have participated in. Attempt this without your 'ego' as demonstrated by just not posting for a while. Absorb what others are saying and have said, who we are and what we have said before. When you find the "mistress of the hunt", you will know someone we all know right away. Get it ?

Please, no apology. The absence of your post for a few days is more then any apology could represent. Get to know us, please !

Moi

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Jean With All Respect

Take a time out !

Being a "newbie", you will find this is a relatively courteous Board.

Many here have shared with each other for years. Assumptions or suggestions about my life, are just plain rude.

Those who know me know - "what made me agoraphobic". Jean did not share in that experience here on the Board.

Jean, you have sure done a hell of a lot of posting. May I humbly suggest during your "time out", you look at some of the Board that may be of interest to you and visit some threads written relatively long ago. See the names of contributors that you might recognize from the threads you have participated in. Attempt this without your 'ego' as demonstrated by just not posting for a while. Absorb what others are saying and have said, who we are and what we have said before. When you find the "mistress of the hunt", you will know someone we all know right away. Get it ?

Please, no apology. The absence of your post for a few days is more then any apology could represent. Get to know us, please !

Moi

Moi,

Please, that last sentence of mine was addressed to my live, most certainly not to you. But re-reading it, I can see what I said, and it must have hurt. That was not my intention. Sometimes I want my postings to be a bit hard, as I want to make something clear. But this time was a mistake, I never wanted to offend you that way. Please see this as an apology to you all, I have to.

I will take that time out as you suggested, not to make another apology (the one above is true) but to thank you for the warning.

loveUall

Jean