Jean Op den Kamp (imported) wrote: Tue May 12, 2009 6:36 am
So there isn't really that much difference between Iran and the rest of the world.... you will have to cure those who want to cure
mrt (imported) wrote: Tue May 12, 2009 6:29 am
You can cure or uncure gay people but not bacon...
This is all so sad. People being told - and believing - that they're inferior, defective, wicked, etc., because their sexual wants are non-normal.
Why is normality so desirable? Doesn't excellence of any kind - physical, intellectual, social, etc. - repudiate normality? Should we discourage excellence because of that? For many people, the answer is yes, but those are people who wish to evade their responsibilities to the world by defining whatever they happen to be as perfect - half vanity and half laziness. They prefer to live like insects. But human beings are not a colony of ants, and should not aspire to be.
Diversity is part of humanity. Our species produces and benefits from many peoples and cultures. Each offshoot of the human race is an experiment, and we advance as a species by continually testing the adaptiveness of new ways of life.
I've always been perplexed by people whose greatest ambition is to be indistinguishable from their neighbors. I've always wanted to be better, if I could, and that means embracing difference. I believe it's my moral duty to try to be better. By being better, I make the greatest possible contribution.
Now, human beings must reproduce, but almost all sexual activity does *not* lead to children being born. If someone has 2-3 children, only 2-3 of all the sex acts they ever perform can be justified for the sake of reproduction. The rest are for fun or for intimacy. Sex is a form of social bonding, like mutual grooming among chimpanzees. What we do for pleasure, or for a reassuring closeness with others, needn't be heterosexual intercourse. People will still have children, even if they cuddle with those of their own sex.
Those who've been wounded by the stupid and cruel moralism of their elders have my sympathy. But to wound themselves after those elders are gone is to turn education into tragedy. I can only wish these victims well, and hope that they may some day free themselves from the dead hands that still throttle them.
Pervyguy (imported) wrote: Sat May 16, 2009 12:57 pm
Why would anybody want to be straight? (yuk) being gay is the best thing that 1 could have, no wifes, no kids, not tied down give me a man anyday
That sounds wise. I would like to help you....................
Trouble is, most people crave clear simple gender roles. That makes life safe and predictable for them. Everyone knows their place and what's expected. It's only people like us who want to broaden gender definitions, because it serves our interests. Most people flee from any blurring of the lines that have been drawn for them, because it only causes them confusion and anxiety. I believe that much of the resistance to sexual liberality comes not from dislike of non-normal people and behavior, but from a fear of losing the certainties that guide people through their lives.
The best political strategy for GBLT people is probably "live and let live." We won't mess with you if you don't mess with us. I think that sort of tolerance - from a safe distance - is part of the grain of American culture. The many segments of our society may not much like or respect or understand one another, but where they feel there's enough room for them to live as they please without interference, they can ignore the people they don't like. For example, the town where I live is about half white, one quarter black, and one quarter Hispanic. There is almost *no* contact among the three groups. A person living here might almost not know the other two groups exist. That's probably the best GBLT people can expect in the short term - to become another in the quilt of incompatible groups who each occupy their own place in the pattern.
No one can change you sex orientation.. Either you are gay or not. But I know that my parents effected my life. I know they made me have a negative attitude about everything in life. And that is not going to change. It is just me. I would be better dead than alive. I wished everyday of life that I could die today. I have made mess of everything and effected everyone else's life with my poor attitude. I would definitely be better dead than alive. Homosexuality effects it's persons. it is deadly. It is hurtful
Dear OneBallBoi, homosexuality is not deadly or hurtful. Neither are you. Homosexuality, like all healthy sexuality, is about sharing affection with another person and about giving and receiving pleasure. It's intimate communication. A few times in a person's life, sex might also be about making a baby.
I can't save you from your emotions. Only you can save yourself, since you're hurting yourself. No matter what your parents did, you are here now, and you have choices about what to do now. You're not a prisoner of your past. You're free. You see that your past has led you to your misery, so it couldn't be right to continue living in the past.
To live and be happy, you need to make a fresh start today. Yes, you can. Start with small steps. You won't change your life over night, but you can change. I'd suggest you sit down with a sheet of paper and make three lists: things you want to accomplish soon (within a week), then list intermediate goals (within a year), then longer term goals (within five years). For each goal, write down the steps you need to reach it. Put the steps in logical order - what needs to be done first, then second, etc. Every single day, before you go to bed, do something to move closer towards a short term, an intermediate term, and a long term goal. Know that you've accomplished something. Doing this every day will not only get you to your goals, but it will put you in control of your life. You'll see that you make things happen, and that your success or failure is in your own hands. You'll see that blaming your past, your parents, your sexuality, etc., doesn't get you anywhere, but that you're free now to make your life whatever you want it to be.
Don't be afraid of failures. Everybody fails sometimes. You can turn failure into success by learning from failure, so that you succeed the next time. Once you experience the control you have over your own life, you won't need to feel that you're doomed, fated, helpless, etc. You own your life.
OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Sun May 17, 2009 6:05 pm
No one can change you sex orientation.. Either you are gay or not. But I know that my parents effected my life. I know they made me have a negative attitude about everything in life. And that is not going to change. It is just me. I would be better dead than alive. I wished everyday of life that I could die today. I have made mess of everything and effected everyone else's life with my poor attitude. I would definitely be better dead than alive. Homosexuality effects it's persons. it is deadly. It is hurtful
I hope every day for something positive, something that makes you happy and keeps you going. Your poor attitude or your bravery to tell us makes me love you every day. And we would most definitely not be better of without you, we would miss you every day.
OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Sun May 17, 2009 6:05 pm
No one can change you sex orientation.. Either you are gay or not. But I know that my parents effected my life. I know they made me have a negative attitude about everything in life. And that is not going to change. It is just me. I would be better dead than alive. I wished everyday of life that I could die today. I have made mess of everything and effected everyone else's life with my poor attitude. I would definitely be better dead than alive. Homosexuality effects it's persons. it is deadly. It is hurtful
OMG! The poor thing has been BRAINWASHED...
...it is your family that sucks, and your role is SCAPEGOAT. Tell me are you a Capricorn by CHOICE or ASSIGNMENT.
NO kidding, man. You need to get the book TOXIC PARENTS and memorize it!
I hope every day for something positive, something that makes you happy and keeps you going. Your poor attitude or your bravery to tell us makes me love you every day. And we would most definitely not be better of without you, we would miss you every day.
