Depo provera vs siterone

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

I second the idea of giving DP a try. My current regimine is 1 150mg shot every 2 to 3 weeks tokeep things in check. I get good resultsl greatly lowered libido, with minimal hassle now.

I never used depro provera nor siterone, only androcur (ciproteroneacetate)

But I like to ask again, as upto now I never get a useful answer....

My problem is not the libido, I can control it. It is me who is in charge not my testes

But the attack from testosteron on your nature, making you angry, making you scared, making you selfish and so on. Androcur works little for the libido, and nothing for these side-effects, at least not for me. Does any-one recognize this problem, and what about Depro and siterone

[tr_80504 (imported)]

I never used depro provera nor siterone, only androcur (ciproteroneacetate)

But I like to ask again, as upto now I never get a useful answer....

My problem is not the libido, I can control it. It is me who is in charge not my testes

But the attack from testosteron on your nature, making you angry, making you scared, making you selfish and so on. Androcur works little for the libido, and nothing for these side-effects, at least not for me. Does any-one recognize this problem, and what about Depro and siterone

Androcur is just the brand name drug for Siterone, supposedly the is no difference between the two. For me it did help with my anger and temper not probally what some speak of as eunuch calm but it did help non the less.

I was taking 150mg per day of siterone plus 10mg of tamoxafen but had to cut back to 100mg per day of siterone and 10 mg of tamoxafen, due to the cost. That is why I have ordered depo provera as it seems like a cheaper alternative. Although I am beginning to think I will not get my T as low with it. I will try the DP (should be here any day) and I am still weighing my options to make it permanent.

I just cant deal with having my T go back to where it was as my life was unmanagable.

[ramses (imported)]

Note on Injections. If you reuse needles (NOT RECOMMENDED) they must be thoroughly sterilized. Needles quickly each time you use them and will require more force and hurt more. You can get the syringes and needles off of ebay very cheap so don't take any additional risks by reusing needles or syringes.

Also, pull back on the plunger a bit to make sure you are not in a blood vein. The syringe will backfill with blood if you are in a vein. If in a vein, just pull back a bit and retry.

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Androcur is just the brand name drug for Siterone, supposedly the is no difference between the two. For me it did help with my anger and temper not probally what some speak of as eunuch calm but it did help non the less.

I was taking 150mg per day of siterone plus 10mg of tamoxafen but had to cut back to 100mg per day of siterone and 10 mg of tamoxafen, due to the cost. That is why I have ordered depo provera as it seems like a cheaper alternative. Although I am beginning to think I will not get my T as low with it. I will try the DP (should be here any day) and I am still weighing my options to make it permanent.

I just cant deal with having my T go back to where it was as my life was unmanagable.

Thanks

I know androcur as cyproterone-acetate, but I didn't know that it is also the same as siterone.

I made a terrible mistake in my life about 13 years ago, and that was when I decided that I had only one big fight to go. Changing myself.

In spite of the fact that I still don't understand completely how and how far I could change, I am proud of and very happy with my nature. It feels just so good comparing with what I was doing before. I never had problems with my sexdrive and most certainly not with the control over it. But the way I feel now, those side-effects of testosterone are giving me a feeling as if I get poisened day in and day out. Sure I can resist against anger, fear, being selfish and so on, but I don't want to fight it any more, I want to be free

And exactly the effect on these site-effect is zero to nothing using androcur even in high dosis. The effect on my sexdrive is miserable but that is not so important. I want and need to end these site-effect of testosterone.

250mg/day androcur is no help and I also tried adding tamoxifen,... nothing

The financial aspect doesn't count any more, as I get the cyproterone on priscription and payed by the insurance. But maybe I can save them some money.......cut /end of story

[ramses (imported)]

Low T is hardly a guarantee of less anger and more happiness. I was far more irritable and unhappy with low T (although I did love some of the effects).

You may have other issues you need to work with that have nothing to do with testosterone. It could be more of an issues with depression or you could just be an asshole and don't like yourself and the world around you. Lower T won't fix most of those things.

[mrt (imported)]

My experience with low t (Not castrate levels however) is that I had all the symptoms of mental depression. Serious mood issues (Anger just pissed off), Lack of energy, mental fog (I found it impossible to read a book) as well as the sexual drive issues which people seem to think it the only effect of changing your hormone levels.

Low T is hardly a guarantee of less anger and more happiness. I was far more irritable and unhappy with low T (although I did love some of the effects).

You may have other issues you need to work with that have nothing to do with testosterone. It could be more of an issues with depression or you could just be an asshole and don't like yourself and the world around you. Lower T won't fix most of those things.

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Low T is hardly a guarantee of less anger and more happiness. I was far more irritable and unhappy with low T (although I did love some of the effects).

You may have other issues you need to work with that have nothing to do with testosterone. It could be more of an issues with depression or you could just be an asshole and don't like yourself and the world around you. Lower T won't fix most of those things.

Yeah, maybe I'm just an asshole. It would mean that I didn't change that much as I thought. One thing is for sure, I didn't like myself and the world as I was seeing it.

But if I didn't change, why am I not getting mad at you. Why is this so easy to take. I became far more vulnerable, because I don't block things out anymore that I don't like. Little things that touch me, sometimes make me cry, and that never happend before. I feel that I"m leaving the aversion about things that happend in the past behind me. I am helping people who hurt me in the past, just because I can leave things behind me.

If I compare my feelings with the past, I never want to find back to that old situation. And, no, I am not that sure about myself, but I love the world and the people around me more and more. I accept that I get hurt sometimes, as it seems to belong to live.

I had my thoughts about a depression many times. All

the ingredients were there. As MRT is saying (thanks):

I had all the symptoms of mental depression. Serious mood issues (Anger just pissed off), Lack of ener

gy, mental fog (I found it impossible to read a book)

[or in my case even to get out of my bed]

I know that feeling, but I need to go back to remember it. Lucky, as it was big shit.

Ramses, I feel happy this moment, I am glad with al those changes as I cannot find anything negative about them. If it is not the testosterone, what the hell is trying to pull me back.

Your replies are many times sharp. Please don't keep me waiting that long again. Please answer me one question, why DID you wait that long? Was it because you were affraid to hurt, or was it me hurting you slowly to a point that you had to react. Or is there a point of view I don't see?

loveU (I think)

Jean

[mrt (imported)]

My theory is that hormones (or lack of same) wire us so our perception of ourselves is always "I'm normal" but how we act. How we are wired is clearly different. With Testosterone the world is sexual. Orgasm is out of the world fantastic and there is a real hunger for them. Energy is high, mood is positive.

Swap that with Estrogen and things change. The new normal is less "logic" and more "Emotion" In short your wired female.

Take away Testosterone and Estrogen and you get a sort of wiring different from either Male or Female. Energy is lower. Mood is probably worse and sex just doesn't seem that worthy of spending time thinking much about. Orgasm is "nice" at best.

But this is all my 2 cents worth based on a few experiences. People seem to react in a variety of ways to Testosterone deprivation.

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

My theory is that hormones (or lack of same) wire us so our perception of ourselves is always "I'm normal" but how we act. How we are wired is clearly different. With Testosterone the world is sexual. Orgasm is out of the world fantastic and there is a real hunger for them. Energy is high, mood is positive.

Swap that with Estrogen and things change. The new normal is less "logic" and more "Emotion" In short your wired female.

Take away Testosterone and Estrogen and you get a sort of wiring different from either Male or Female. Energy is lower. Mood is probably worse and sex just doesn't seem that worthy of spending time thinking much about. Orgasm is "nice" at best.

But this is all my 2 cents worth based on a few experiences. People seem to react in a variety of ways to Testosterone deprivation.

Let me ask myself if I am normal, as I would offer you at least a dollar for your 2 cents worth words.

[ramses (imported)]

I apologise if my response was sharp in any way as that's not what I intended. I hope you don't think I was saying you were an ass because I simply don't know you enough to say so. I just meant that you need to look at other things as to why you feel or act in ways that make you feel uncomfortable. Some people run from something or another all their lives and never realize that THEY are what they are running from.

I sincerely wish you luck with what you are doing and hope it leads to the peace and happiness that you seek.

Sincerely, Ramses