burdizzo

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

video of actual use of a burdizzo on a man done properly with anesthetic

all except getting the glove caught

http://leatherrealm.com/single_ball_clamping.wmv

medical article on doctor use of burdizzo

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12031390

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

a group of new doctors just finished a study and published the results in urology magazine

november edition 2008

i am waiting for the pdf to show up i paid for

It compares bilateral orchiectomy to burdizzo ...clamp ablation of testicles ...in hormone reduction in men with prostate cancer

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 44c8fbf7da

when i get the file i will pass it along

[Riven (imported)]

a group of new doctors just finished a study and published the results in urology magazine

november edition 2008

i am waiting for the pdf to show up i paid for

It compares bilateral orchiectomy to burdizzo ...clamp ablation of testicles ...in hormone reduction in men with prostate cancer

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 44c8fbf7da

when i get the file i will pass it along

Thanks very much sdyuk_2000. This is very interesting.

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

i got my pdf document

hardly seems worth 4 dollars

i can email it ..no way to copy and paste it here ..thats not allowed..copyright infringment..wont allow copy and paste

any way doctor did 7 men bilateral orchiectomy

and......another 7 men with the burdizzo...5 were complete success ..2 were failures and were done again with success

60 seconds each side...not long enough...i hope someone tells him

its just a short article but gets to the facts

its not possible to send files in private message is it??

[consideredit (imported)]

A few years ago I had an interesting conversation with a doctor who managed a number of medical things including childbirth. He suggested that for many situations, including childbirth, it looks easy (for the doctor) and that the patient outcome would be little or no different in the hands of an amateur. He noted that women have had babies unassisted for thousands of years. He made sense. He also noted that he earns his pay on the less frequent occasions when something goes wrong - when all of a sudden what looked easy isn't easy any more. That could very well apply here in that for many a burdizzo could be an excellent and safe approach for many men who need castration medically or who simply choose that path. The problem is sorting out who the troublesome candidates might be - that probably requires the skills of a physician or at least some specialized medical training.

Same could be said for surgical techniques - might be simple enough and low risk for some but how do you know without being evaluated. The other thing is that in some cases even a good workup prior to surgery doesn't reveal everything.

[Riven (imported)]

Thanks for the info sduyck_2000. This seems to prove that it works anyway. Presumably if there were complications with the Burdizzo method the doctor's in question would have had to include info about that in the report?

I agree consideredit. It is always be best if a procedure is done by someone with a proper training. I'm not even sure if the Burdizzo method is taught in veterinary college. I would hope so, but the fact that Burdizzos are sold by farm supplies companies makes me think that it's a method used by stockholders rather than vets.

I'm not sure if this is going anywhere for us though, as castration seems to be losing favour as a treatment against prostate cancer. I understand that the reasons are that androgen deprivation only holds the cancer off for a limited period, and as men are usually so upset by the idea of being physically castrated, giving them chemical androgen blockers for a while (at least until the cancer progresses) is much less of a traumatic for them. There might be a case for Burdizzo use in gender reassignment, but my understanding is that when M2F subjects are being evaluated they are usually encouraged to live a year or so dressing 'as a woman', and maybe taking testosterone blockers and oestrogen so that they can get the feel of it, before anything irreversable is done surgically - and the Burdizzo method is irreversable. When M2F SRS is done, the Burdizzo would not be used because the testes are removed. So I think the greatest future for the Burdizzo method for men is in M2E castrations and this is where we come in handy as source of a potential volunteer group for further research into the safe use of this method.

However, all this is pretty meaningless until we can be sure that castration per-se is a sensible for any of us. As we know, a lot of guys on this forum have been castrated by one method or another: Some deeply regret it, some don't. And of those that don't, many are using testosterone replacement therapy, and have made the firm (and quite sensible) decision not to regret what they've done, on the basis that it is better not to live with regret, and to instead learn to live with whatever mistakes you've made and try to be positive, etc. So, perhaps until the negative side effects of castration can be dealt with more easily, we should not be so keen to get the positive benefits - the main one for us perhaps being lowering of sex drive. This last paragraph is perhaps a little negative about castration because of my uncertainty about it being right for me, so I probably ought to end it on a more positive note - I think that in cases where castration is 'the way forward' the Burdizzo method deserves to be given a fair trial as it may prove to be safer than surgical castration - provided it's done by someone who know how to do it right.

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

in the conclusions at the end of the article it says

the burdizzo has proved to be simpler and a safer method than BO

they also named the use of the burdizzo the cat method...clamp ablation of testicles

[Riven (imported)]

in the conclusions at the end of the article it says

the burdizzo has proved to be simpler and a safer method than BO

they also named the use of the burdizzo the cat method...clamp ablation of testicles

'CAT METHOD' - I like that I guess that's a way of distancing their use of this 'tool' from association with the veterinary world - quite understandable and sensible I guess, because most people would freak if they were offered castration by Burdizzo then they look it up on the web and find pictures of farmers and goats, etc. and/or they read that description on Wiki! OMG :shakemitk

Maybe we should start calling it the CAT method too?

[ramses (imported)]

CAT method. I instantly got this image of a "cat" eating someones testicles while still attached.... Ouch!

[Riven (imported)]

That wouldn't be very hygenic Ramses But I'm sure they must be tasty