Daydreams

[A-1 (imported)]

A-1, all this happened before AIDS, as already mentioned. I don't think any of it was irresponsible to "self, partner, or society." If you think it is, from anything other than the standpoint of someone who dislikes "roller coaster rides," you'll need to explain.

I don't consider my experiences to be the same kind of excitement as yours. I cannot really explain it. Maybe not less or more, not better or worse, just different.

I did get caught parked one night as a teenager, I ran off in a ditch trying to get away. It was a deputy sheriff, and he didn't turn his red lights on. I told him that I did not know that he was law enforcement. He told me that he thought that we were doing dope. I told him that was not what we were doing. He ended up pulling me out of the ditch with his squad car and my tow chain.

Pretty exciting, wouldn't you say? I was with a girl. All I ever parked with was girls, I don't know why, but it is preference, like you say. Good thing, though, he probably would not have helped me otherwise. That is how it was where I lived as a youngster. People treated other people pretty poorly. Me, I would have helped anyone, regardless. I guess that we will never know for sure about the cop, though.

Far from harming my self, I greatly enriched my experience of life. I obviously had no "partner." I was a young single man, with no plans to have a "partner." Another benefit of roller coasters is that hangers on tend to fall off.

Yes, if they are not well grounded, i.e. strapped in for the ride. And you DID have a partner, just for the time that it took. Another person to share with is your partner. When the dance is over, it is over, but some dances last longer than others. We BOTH understand that. Some dances are short and fast and some are long and slow. Preference again.

That "society" was harmed seems to me laughable. The ethic of my time was that anything that made the guardians of respectability uneasy must be a good thing.

It is a good thing, because the respectable are sometimes running form themselves and their pent-up urges. Criticism for the sake of criticism is never justified. Society includes GAY society, and there ARE social groups in areas where Gays live and play.

In fact, that's still my ethic. Societies progress because of the eternal tension between the conservative forces of conformity and order and the creative forces of experimentation and disorder. Both are indispensible to a healthy society, and both are at their worst when they indulge in clucking disapproval of the other side.

Does work two ways, doesn't it?

What I mean here is that consenting adults who know what they are getting themselves into and the ramifications of their actions, nothing more, nothing less.

I don't think *anyone* has said that sex is "

immediate

gratification and an escape from reality.

" This is you, moralizing. The experiences we've discussed here couldn't be more real, just as real as you walking arm in arm with your Lady through a park with violin music. I believe these experiences were closer to reality than the rituals of conventional courtship. This is so because these people were acting from their hearts, from their deepest feelings, with no thought of seeking official approval. I've written that no one really knows what's sexually normal because sex is not public behavior. People acting from passion are real. People doing what's expected are only conforming. Far from being an escape from reality, these were flights *toward* r

eality, even if it's a reality that frightens you.

Perhaps you should understand then that there was a time when it was so for me. (an escape form reality) Sex is public behavior if done in public. However, what you mean by "sex" is not taken the same way by everyone. To some, contact of any ki

nd in some societies or societal subgroups is 'sex'.

Immediate gratification? If a married heterosexual couple fucked, w

hy is this any the less "immediate gratification"?

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t's NOT, not really. It all depends on the context.

Are you saying that married heterosexuals seldom engage in

sex, as an expression of their superior morality?

No, it is generally and age and familiarity thing... ...except then they cheat on their partners. To me, I am talking about monogamy.

Not really anything about sexual preferences. O.K.?

We agree that it sucks to grow old, even for right-thinking heterosexuals.

Is it wrong to occasionally review happy memories?

No, absolutely not, and memories are what we cherish

as we grow older. ...And thanks for sharing yours.

I'd suggest everyone would be happier not attempting to elevate their personal tastes into moral presc

riptions that it's their duty to impose on others.

No moral prescription. Just an observation that I believe that you hav

e met, in your own social group and in your own way.

Remember "Change You Can Believe In"? Change I could believe in would be a worl

d in which "cocksucker" was no longer a pejorative.

It is a dirty word just like FUCK.

Perhaps you can explain to me why we have to have dirty words for things that we as humans derive so much joy and pleasure from.

What pisses me off is the denigration of women who enjoy havng sex. You know, it happens all of the time, by men and by society, and it is not a good thing.

[bobover3 (imported)]

A-1, I've sent you a private message with my feelings about all this.

I mostly agree with your last post. We have no quarrel. You're a good person, so I can forgive you for being heterosexual! (Ain't I sweet?) I'm glad you didn't have the chance to find out what that cop would have done, if you'd been "parked" with a boy. You might not be posting here now.

[A-1 (imported)]

A-1, I've sent you a private message with my feelings about all this.

I mostly agree with your last post. We have no quarrel. You're a good person, so I can forgive you for being heterosexual! (Ain't I sweet?) I'm glad you didn't have the chance to find out what that cop would have done, if you'd been "parked" with a boy. You might not be posting here now.

Hell, I would have gotten busted for DOPE. That would have been the 'official' story.

Momma didn't raise no idiots...

[twaddler (imported)]

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that would turn me into a GG -- actually changing the chromosomes to XX

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Well met. For me there's no machine, I just am.

Bath houses? Porno movie theaters? Jeezus, ya'll had it easy. In this small town I have such a hard time getting ahold of a hard time.

[bobover3 (imported)]

A-1, back in the "good old days," it was permissable to do *anything* to homosexuals, and call it something else. The cop might have arrested you on a trumped up drug charge just because you were "parked" with the wrong person, and told the judge in confidence what really happened and to give you a stiff sentence. That's how they got rid of "fags" in the old days. Actual morals charges were messier, harder to prove than an outright fabrication, and less likely to lead to a really long sentence. You don't know how protected you've been because you're "normal."

[bobover3 (imported)]

Postatracura, I sympathize! Most of the people in your town probably feel the same way, even if they wouldn't say it out loud. The problem is to get enough like minded people in the same place to form a community. If there are 20 gay people in your town (and you know there's a bunch), they can't recognize each other. In a bigger town, gay people can have meeting places and even whole districts. If you want to take a big risk, you could try to start some sort of gay group in your town. I don't know your local culture. You'd have to think about how this might be received. Would it cost you family, friends, job, etc.? If the risk is too great, you could move to a city, or bear it. On the other hand, they might someday put your statue in the town square as the Great Gay Liberator.

[twaddler (imported)]

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Would it cost you family, friends, job, etc.?

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It would cost me nothing. Do I have fear? A thousand times no!

[coinflipper_21 (imported)]

I remember the porn houses in LA as being much the same but not all the action was homosexual. This inspired someone to write a limerick that went something like this:

The new cinematic emporium

Was not just a super sensorium

But a highly effectual

Hetrosexual

Mutual masturbatorium

Of course, most of the action in these places was homosexual, and there was a lot more going on than masturbation.

I had a girlfriend that liked to go to these places with me. She was something of an exhibitionist and really enjoyed having a audience. (One time, at a public event, we actually got a standing ovation from several hundred people, including the cops that were supposed to be doing crowd control!) She was one of the few women I have ever met that was turned on by watching two guys getting it on. She wanted to do threesomes including a gay guy. Considering that I would go along with anything sexual that she wanted, it's probably fortunate for me that the relationship ended just before the AIDS epidemic started.

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

Yoli here,

One of the girls in the KiKaKo told us that her youngest aunt confessed that she would often accompany a gay friend to an adult theater and video parlor. Once in a viewing booth she'd "assist" in his play with some anonymous guy in the adjoining booth. Seems she'd play with the "visiting penis" and maybe fondle the accompanying ballsies as her friend sucked same. She'd also masturbate her chum as he fellated the "boy next door".

Once in a while they'd switch places and she'd do the oral honors. One time, as they exited the booths, the guy she'd sucked thanked her guy pal who responded with "Oh, SHE did it. Thank her.". Apparently the other guy screamed "Ewwww! I've been blown by a girl!" and ran off to wash his peepee.

True? Probably so. For Certain? How would I know? I was a little kid when that action took place so I missed the show. Darn!

It's been a fantasy of mine to accompany some guy to such a place and participate but only to the extent of touchy-feely, no doubt fantasizing that I'm assisting in a precastration ritual. Sadly (or not), places that still have gloryholes (is that one word or two?) are few and far between but that's probably a good thing nowadays.

I think I'll invent an STD tester that provides instantaneous results. It would be installed at every place such as mentioned here and each guy that wanted to enter would have to put his peepee in a little slot to be "tested" for HIV and such. If the device sensed the presence of any STD the machine would not only alert the management but administer a nasty little "slap" to the offending peepee. If the same guy tried to enter that same place or any other later and was still infected the shared "database" would trigger a more serious response. A hidden blade would suddenly see to it that he would never try again. OWWW!

I'll bet Moi and Stewie save this to disk!:D

Yoli

"Off with his, errrr, IT'S head!"

[moi621 (imported)]

Yoli here,

One of the girls in the KiKaKo told us that her youngest aunt confessed that she would often accompany a gay friend to an adult theater and video parlor. Once in a viewing booth she'd "assist" in his play with some anonymous guy in the adjoining booth. Seems she'd play with the "visiting penis" and maybe fondle the accompanying ballsies as her friend sucked same. She'd also masturbate her chum as he fellated the "boy next door".

Once in a while they'd switch places and she'd do the oral honors. One time, as they exited the booths, the guy she'd sucked thanked her guy pal who responded with "Oh, SHE did it. Thank her.". Apparently the other guy screamed "Ewwww! I've been blown by a girl!" and ran off to wash his peepee.

True? Probably so. For Certain? How would I know? I was a little kid when that action took place so I missed the show. Darn!

It's been a fantasy of mine to accompany some guy to such a place and participate but only to the extent of touchy-feely, no doubt fantasizing that I'm assisting in a precastration ritual. Sadly (or not), places that still have gloryholes (is that one word or two?) are few and far between but that's probably a good thing nowadays.

I think I'll invent an STD tester that provides instantaneous results. It would be installed at every place such as mentioned here and each guy that wanted to enter would have to put his peepee in a little slot to be "tested" for HIV and such. If the device sensed the presence of any STD the machine would not only alert the management but administer a nasty little "slap" to the offending peepee. If the same guy tried to enter that same place or any other later and was still infected the shared "database" would trigger a more serious response. A hidden blade would suddenly see to it that he would never try again. OWWW!

I'll bet Moi and Stewie save this to disk!:D

Yoli

"Off with his, errrr, IT'S head!"

Yup !