Castration following cancer, but how to do it?

[naurtyjim (imported)]

Perhaps this post should be somewhere else, but here goes anyway .......

Six months ago i underwent a number of major operations to treat cancer. Cancer of the bladder, then cancer of the prostate, then other bits and pieces. So half my bladder was removed, all my prostate has gone, a vasectomy was done to stop reflux of urine etc back into the testicles and I am now in "surveillance" mode every three months. I have learnt that prostate cancer in particular is encouraged by testosterone, so discussed with the surgeon either removing the major source of testosterone or at least blocking it. He is not inclined to do either. I am considering taking matters into my own hands and having my testicles removed anyway. But how and when to do this, as I don't want my wife or family to know ... she hasn't had sex with me for ten years so she won't notice any difference (I think). It seems the simplest way woiuld be to have an injection which atrophies the testicles, but is there such a thing? And if so, where to get it? Alternatively have them surgically removed while she is on holiday, IF I can find a surgeon to do it. Failing a surgeon, a competent cutter. As a sign of desperation, I have even considered offering my balls to a group so that there can be a public castration. Does anyone have any suggestions of comments? All will be gratefully received. I am in Sydney, Australia. Cheers, jim

[bobbie (imported)]

My heart goes out to you. You have gone through one hell of a lot in a short time. You have a very caring and supportive wife from what is sounds like. Why keep anything from her. Share everything with her and use her support to help you make any decisions you make.

There will be no difference in your cum if you have balls or not. The other operations took care of that. Removing the testicles may slow the spread of cancer that was in the prostrate. The same can be done with drugs. In either case you body will show the changes of the loss of testosterone. There may already be a loss or great loss already. You balls may already be at near castration state. You can not hide that from your wife so do not even try to hide it. You can get a second onion on the treatment I think in your country. Would see what the next doctor would suggest. Doing nothing may be the best coarse of treatment. The reduction of testosterone to your body may do more harm the good. That is something we do not know and your doctor has not told you.

I am not doctor or know all the facts. I wish you all the best. You sure can us it.

[Francis (imported)]

I have recently been diagnosed with early stage prostate cancer and have been researching treatment issues etc for some time now. One message comes through loud and clear which is that prostate cancer cells need testosterone to thrive and can be suppressed and sometimes completely destroyed by reduction/removal of testosterone. Testosterone functions as a food for the cells to thrive on and without it they tend to grow much more slowly if at all. Raised testosterone levels e.g. steroids etc will make you more prone to prostate cancer among their other side effects. I think that this means that higher levels of T make the cancer more agressive and faster growing, It wasn't clear whether it changes the likelihood of getting it in the first place.

You should also be aware that your testicles are not the only source of testosterone in your body. Some testosterone is produced by the pancreas (~5% of total I think) If you want to reduce your T levels to absolute zero you can get a LHRH (Lutenising Hormone Reduction Hormone) drug such as Eligard which is used with inoperable prostate cancers to reduce testosterone levels to virtually 0 and certainly to much lower levels than just castration will do according to the literature. My brother who has inoperable PC is on this and he says that he has not yet seen any side effects but his PSA has dropped from 21 to undetectable..

It sounds to me like you may have started out with undetected Prostate Cancer which has now escaped the prostate and spread out into the bladder and adjoining structures in which case your Dr should be considering something like this. On the other hand if it is some other form of cancer that has just metastatised into the prostate from utside it may not help at all but in that case neither would castration. Worth asking the question though.

For all those out there still with balls and prostate a regular PSA test is really must-do annual blood test as you get older. It will tell you if anything is happening before it gets too serious and increases the chances of sucessful treatment. Untreated PC can spread into the bones and that is probably one of the most horrific ways to die if the reports are to be believed.

My best wishes for your ongoing outcomes I hope all goes well with you now that your Drs are on top of it as it sound like they are.

[naurtyjim (imported)]

Many thanks to Bobbie and Francis fr the above comments and suggestions. just for the record, I have had PSA tests every year and have always shown a very low PSA. A PSA is not enough, a digital examination is also required and is something many men avoid. In hospital i was surprised to see the number of relatively young men, 40 or so, who being in a high risk category decided to make a pre-emptive strike against Cancer and have their prostates (and a couple of guys their testicles too) out. Either finished their families or froze some sperm. But quite a lot of men. re supportive wife/ not really, she unilaterally declared herself to stop having sex as menopause progressed and definately will not entertain the idea for over ten years. haven't seen her naked since then, nor her me. So I want to find a solution where she never knows, otherwise it will come back "you are not a man now ..." Finally, achemist suggesting injecting with a solution he made up, I don't want to put in on here in case I get it wrong, inject 5mls in each testicle every second day. I tried the first treatment tonight and video'd it, but don't know if this in interesting enough to post somewhere. Thanks again everyone! Jim

[naurtyjim (imported)]

Since my initial post I have been researching the feasibility of injecting a substance into my testicles to atrophy them. It just seems a clean, simple alternative to surgical castration IF it will work. There seems to be a number of substances people have tried on animals, but can't see any conclusive trials on humans. I have come across the following article "Chemical castration with intratesticular injection of 20% hypertonic saline: A minimally invasive method" located at http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve ... 3907001378 ). Has anyone heard of this before? and do you have any comments? I have injected 5ml of 5% saline before over the years but it does not seem to have any effect. Any comments on the use of this or any other substance will be appreciated. Thanks, Naurtyjim

[kennath7 (imported)]

Yes

I was stupid enough to think along those lines

Injecting Foreign substances into your body is very dangerous

And can be very painful

There are reports of individuals having success in castrating themselves

Using ( ever clear ) 190 proof grain alcohol

Be advised that do it your self methods for castration are very dangerous

And very painful you could die

You could also loose other parts of your body leg , toe ,ect. If you where to

Get a really bad infection and get gangrene

The best advise is to seek out a doctor and get it done by some one that knows what they are doing

Also damaged testicles have a grater chance of becoming cancerous

you have been through alot i just dont want To see you compound your problems more than what they are

Please be safe don’t do anything Irrational

[bobbie (imported)]

Since my initial post I have been researching the feasibility of injecting a substance into my testicles to atrophy them. It just seems a clean, simple alternative to surgical castration IF it will work. There seems to be a number of substances people have tried on animals, but can't see any conclusive trials on humans. I have come across the following article "Chemical castration with intratesticular injection of 20% hypertonic saline: A minimally invasive method" located at http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve ... 3907001378 ). Has anyone heard of this before? and do you have any comments? I have injected 5ml of 5% saline before over the years but it does not seem to have any effect. Any comments on the use of this or any other substance will be appreciated. Thanks, Naurtyjim

Time to put on your thinking hat.

Doctors preform thousands of castrations a year. Some are for cancer of the testicle. More often they are removed to stop the production of testosterone. That is a common treatment for cancer of the prostrate.

Doctors like to take the most easy way out to do things. Now if there was a simple way to destroy the testicle. If it would be so easy to just inject something into them. Cause them to die. It would be in use for sure.

One thing that has been mentioned in other threads. Guess you did not read or cared to over look. Injecting something into the testicle. If you hit the right spot you can sort of main line the drug or what ever into your blood system via a large vein. Now the vein goes right to the heart. Then to the lungs. Then back to the heart. Then to the rest of the body like the brain. The organs can be damaged by your simple castration injection. You may loose your ball and who knows what else you may loose. Maybe the leg with a blood clot.

There is some talk that a vet may try something. If it does not work and the farm animal dies it is not a big loss. Are you a horse, bull, goat or?

All I am saying is it is your body. The trip to the ER can run in the 10's of thousands of (AUD) dollars. Do not know if you would have to pay in your country. But may find that you may end up in a mental ward. Some people have been after their attempt of castration. Finding a doctor may be hard. There are some out there even in your country. Try ones that do sex change. They are more liky to preform a castration.

[naurtyjim (imported)]

Thanks to Kennath7 and Bobbie for your concerns and suggestions. They do make a lot of sense, I guess sometimes I deliberately ignore the obvious in my determination to get it done. Never thought about accidentally mainling though. Injection seemed so simple, and I know thru BME that people inject saline into their testicles regularly with no ill effects. So my logic was " just change the solution and voila!" I also recall Burdizzos can be used for the purpose but some one on this site suggested there can be complications there as well. Likewise banding. So it seems surgical removal is the safest option, if only I can persuade a doctor to do it. So one way or another, with your suggestions, I will pursue my desire. And if there are any other suggestions i will welcome them. Thank you to everyone for your comments and suggestionsso far.

[speedvogel (imported)]

When we are talking about injecting saline into the testicles for recreation, in a BDSM scene, we are talking about using sterile, 0.9% saline for injection (or similar). I have had this done several times; it hurts like hell, is very dangerous and is glorious fun. I've received as much as 50 cc. in each ball.

I would not suggest anyone try this; I weighed the risks and decided to try it. Hell, I wouldn't suggest anyone do testicle play piercing or deep cock play piercing either, but I enjoy these too.

If one tries injecting a substance that may destroy the testicles, he may find he has created a situation where his health and even life may be threatened. Certainly, he will require medical intervention and the possibility of being put in some sort of mental institution as a threat to himself is likely.

In other words, don't try this at home or anywhere else, boys and girls

Speed

[speedvogel (imported)]

Now back to the original theme of this thread. If one reads the literature regarding prostate cancer thoroughly, one finds some interesting stuff, indeed.

I have spent many hours pouring over this subject on the web. My PSA was climbing like a rocket. It went from unmeasurable to over 10 in less than six months. I had a 14 needle prostate biopsy and was determined to have granulatomous prostatitis. The first words on every web page concerning this condition are that it mimics prostate cancer. My urologist says, since I am clean at age 66, I will die of something else before I develop prostate cancer.

Testosterone deprivation therapy has long been part of the drill for treatment of more advanced prostate cancers. Unfortunately, the benefit of this is quite short lived. Best practice now does not suggest castration, but a 10 to 12 week course of anti-androgen drugs in conjunction with radiation. For well contained prostate tumors, prostatectomy is the preferred treatment, with the daVinci robotic prostatectomy the state of the art choice.

If a doctor suggests castration for prostate cancer that has not spread to the testicles, he is probably doing so because your insurance wants to get out of your case as cheaply as possible. You bet I'm cynical.

Speed