testicles2 (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:48 pm
why don't you all take magnesium as well?
only taking calcium may set you up for shortage of magnesium in your body.
I try to get some milk into my daily meals somehow so I can get some natural sources. Magnesium is included in a multi vitamin I take.
There is much more to being healthy than just taking the one calcium supplement. I have been struggling to figure out what kind of calcium is best. Calcium Carbonate is cheaper and easier to take since more calcium is packed into a smaller pill. However Calcium citrate is suppose to be better absorbed but is a huge horse pill.
Calcium usually isn't packed into a multi vitamin -- if it was then the pills would be really hard to swallow. That's why I'm asking. I have to buy the calcium separately from my multivitamin.
Wanted to see what everyone else took so I can make a better judgment call. I'll probably keep taking the citrate from what I've read and the route this poll seems to be taking.
testicles2 (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:48 pm
it is better to take natural sources of calcium than in those pills anyway.
calcium pills are not so good for the prostate(more chance of prostatecancer).
I take 1 Citro-cal a day. The only other source of calcium for me is my 1 - 8 oz. glass of Hood "fake milk" a day, and 1 slice of Swiss cheese. Other than that, I don't do dairy products.
incuse (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:20 pm
I try to get some milk into my daily meals somehow so I can get some natural sources. Magnesium is included in a multi vitamin I take.
There is much more to being healthy than just taking the one calcium supplement. I have been struggling to figure out what kind of calcium is best. Calcium Carbonate is cheaper and easier to take since more calcium is packed into a smaller pill. However Calcium citrate is suppose to be better absorbed but is a huge horse pill.
Calcium usually isn't packed into a multi vitamin -- if it was then the pills would be really hard to swallow. That's why I'm asking. I have to buy the calcium separately from my multivitamin.
Wanted to see what everyone else took so I can make a better judgment call. I'll probably keep taking the citrate from what I've read and the route this poll seems to be taking.
Haven't heard this ?
you can take calcium carbonate with an orange.then your calcium will be absorbed better.
kristoff wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:08 pm
Please provide content, not just links - they go stale. It is perfectly OK here to post text as long as there is attribution and a link.
I thought I took the effort for the people here.but anyone who googles on calcium and prostatecancer will find the connection and info on that.
May 25 2000. About one-third of the cancer deaths in the United States are due to dietary factors, according to American Cancer Society. Risk can be lowered, ACS nutrition experts say, by eating a diet high in plant foods (fruits, vegetables, grains, and beans) and low in meat, dairy, and other high-fat foods. It is important not to overeat and to balance intake of food calories with output of energy in physical activity.
Dr. E. Giovannucci at Harvard Medical School says: "Higher consumption of selenium and vitamin E, fructose/fruits, and tomatoes all have been associated with reduced occurrence of prostate cancer, but as yet their efficacy for prevention remains unproven." Five or more servings of fruit a day, according to a study that Dr. Giovannucci conducted, lowered the risk of prostate cancer by half.
In the group he studied, men who regularly avoided fruit while favoring foods high in calcium (ice-cream, cottage cheese, hard cheese and milk...) were at higher risk for prostate cancer.
Men who got 2,000 mg/day or more of calcium from food sources and supplements were almost three times as likely to have advanced prostate cancer, and 4.5 times as likely to have metastatic prostate cancer. That's the calcium in 6 glasses of milk.
This study looked at the eating habits and health outcomes of 47,781 male health professionals. All the men were free of cancer in 1986 when the study began. "Between 1986 and 1994, 1369 non-stage A1 and 423 advanced (extraprostatic) cases of prostate cancer were diagnosed."
Higher consumption of calcium, the researchers found, was related to advanced prostate cancer and metastatic prostate cancer. "Calcium from food sources and from supplements independently increased risk."
High fructose intake was related to a lower risk of advanced prostate cancer. "Fruit intake was inversely associated with risk of advanced prostate cancer...." Five or more servings of fruit a day made a measurable difference in risk of prostate cancer. "Non-fruit sources of fructose similarly predicted lower risk of advanced prostate cancer."
This study has been attacked by Dr. William Fair, a leading US urologist and a colon cancer survivor. Dr. Fair says that he himself takes 1,200 mg calcium a day. Any idea that calcium in the diet encourages prostate cancer "flies in the face of all the evidence we have about vitamin D and prostate cancer, " Fair has said.
Giovannucci confirmed his results on repeating the study on a smaller group of men in Sweden. In 1999, though, a Dutch study of 58,279 men aged 55-69 followed for six years found "no associations" between prostate cancer and "consumption of fresh meat, fish, cheese and eggs. Positive trends in risk were found for consumption of cured meat and milk products ..... For calcium and protein intake, no associations were observed." But this study in the Netherlands did not compare fruit versus calcium consumption.
Vitamin D does protect men from prostate cancer. In the USA and many countries, milk is fortified with vitamin D. Even so, calcium in mik and other foods lowers the amount of usable vitamin D in the body. Eating several servings of fruit a day keeps the level of vitamin D raised.
A high circulating level of the biologically active form of vitamin D (1,25(OH)2 vitamin D [1,25(OH)2D) is known to inhibit formation of cancer in the prostate. Eating a diet high in meat and milk and low in fruit reduces the level of this anti-prostate cancer vitamin. "High intakes of calcium and phosphorus, largely from dairy products, lower circulating 1,25(OH)2D level, and sulfur-containing amino acids from animal protein lower blood pH, which also suppresses 1,25(OH)2D production."
On this evidence:
Eating a lot of calcium in foods or supplements may suppress the body's production of the active form of vitamin D.
Eating fruit stimulates the body to make the active form of vitamin D. Dietary fructose reduces plasma phosphate levels by 30 to 50% for more than 3 hours.
Fat in the diet might play a role in the development of prostate cancer -- and milk and meat are sources of fat. A recent study of men diagnosed with prostate cancer in Quebec, Canada found that the men who consumed the hiegest amount of saturated fat were significantly more likely to die of prostate cancer than of other causes.
The Harvard researchers say they took account of fat in calcium-rich foods and that still the balance between calcium and fructose was more important. "Our findings provide indirect evidence for a protective influence of high 1,25(OH)2D levels on prostate cancer," they say, "and support increased fruit consumption and avoidance of high calcium intake to reduce the risk of advanced prostate cancer.
testicles2 (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:43 am
I thought I took the effort for the people here.but anyone who googles on calcium and prostatecancer will find the connection and info on that.
Absolutely correct, but generally I delete posts that don't include the content. Links (even on Google) DO go stale. Without the content, the link and the post are worthless. Please take the effort.
kristoff wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:46 pm
Absolutely correct, but generally I delete posts that don't include the content. Links (even on Google) DO go stale. Without the content, the link and the post are worthless. Please take the effort.
So much knowledge. So little time. You spend your short life trying to do everything you can to live a healthy long life, then whamo, some drunk behind the wheel prematurely terminates your existence.
Point is: Don't Drink; But If You Do, Please chain yourself to some light pole somewhere until you sober up.
I take calcium citrate with vitamin D. With all the sun I get out here there is probably more worry about skin cancer than lack of vitamin D.
Also, remember to stop drinking colas and any other beverages with phosphorous compounds in them. My Dad's orthopedic surgeon told me that the phosphates leeching the calcium from the bones is the leading cause of osteoporosis in this country. He said that no one over the age of 60 should drink a cola. I used to be a Diet Pepsi in the morning person. Started me liking coffee.
