Chemoablation

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

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Going to a doctor and paying several grand isn't even remotely possible for some people...

THANKYOU so much for that very important point. This is precisely why I find this subject so interesting, and precisely why I believe much of the medical professional community is going to be very averse to the idea.

For now, with only limited research into this, I would shy away from it, but I have to say it sounds VERY promising and interesting to me. A reasonable, relatively painless, ECONOMICAL castration, with no humiliating visit to the doctor.... I imagine this topic will be active.

[saywhat (imported)]

Sure hypertonic saline destroys tissue (dehydrates the cells). In a vein I doubt it would do MUCH damage to the actual vein since it would be moving through it fairly fast and getting diluted, it would however kill any blood cells in the hypertonic solution and then when it hit the heart and lungs might not be so good.

But in the venious return your not going to damage your kidney like your thinking, since its not going to go near them.

There of course is risk with injecting chemoablative chemicals into your body, and hitting into a vein or artery would be one or targeting undesired tissue.

You are half right here. 20% hypertonic solution is ment for ablating small veins, if it gets injected into larger veins or refluxes into larger veins it becomes dilute very quickly.

It is possible that it would fragment a bunch of red blood cells quite readily and maybe in the off chance cause a small clot to form. The clot (of that caliber) cannot cause damage to your heart (heart is feed blood from the high pressure aortic side). The clot would however travel to your lungs and being that it would be small would only damage a small part of your lungs. You probably would not notice.

The alarming part would be when your nut turns green/blue and swells up like a football. The scrotum has a multitude of bacteria on it. Even if you try to clean it as well as possible there is always the chance of infection. There is also the chance of depositing an epidermal (skin) plug into the testicle where it would/could grow if it is not destroyed by the saline.

If that did not scare you away... 20% sclerosing saline is as said before very hard to get a hold of. Usually dermatologists are the ones who have it. They use it for vericose veins. I have thought of using it before but haven't got the balls to do it. um er pardon my pun.

[racona78 (imported)]

You are half right here. 20% hypertonic solution is ment for ablating small veins, if it gets injected into larger veins or refluxes into larger veins it becomes dilute very quickly.

It is possible that it would fragment a bunch of red blood cells quite readily and maybe in the off chance cause a small clot to form. The clot (of that caliber) cannot cause damage to your heart (heart is feed blood from the high pressure aortic side). The clot would however travel to your lungs and being that it would be small would only damage a small part of your lungs. You probably would not notice.

The alarming part would be when your nut turns green/blue and swells up like a football. The scrotum has a multitude of bacteria on it. Even if you try to clean it as well as possible there is always the chance of infection. There is also the chance of depositing an epidermal (skin) plug into the testicle where it would/could grow if it is not destroyed by the saline.

If that did not scare you away... 20% sclerosing saline is as said before very hard to get a hold of. Usually dermatologists are the ones who have it. They use it for vericose veins. I have thought of using it before but haven't got the balls to do it. um er pardon my pun.

Well the swelling up and turning green/blue would be pretty much if something went wrong right? According to the article quoted initally none of the rats experienced any adverse affects.

Minimizing chance of infection wouldn't be THAT hard provided you used, say a surgical soap scrub thing to clean down there, then used plenty of PVP swabs to scrub the area prior to injection. And deposing a small piece of skin wouldn't really be a HUGE risk, the needles your using would in theory be a lot smaller then intramuscular injections which use a larger needle and have a better chance of deposing a skin plug...

The limiting factor though is getting the sterile 20% saline.. :-\

[ramses (imported)]

Wouldn't boiling in a clean glass container in the microwave sterilize it? Seems that if the heat didn't kill everything, the microwaves would. Just don't add salt (or anything else) to distilled water after it's been microwaved. It will explode in your face!!!

[racona78 (imported)]

Wouldn't boiling in a clean glass container in the microwave sterilize it? Seems that if the heat didn't kill everything, the microwaves would. Just don't add salt (or anything else) to distilled water after it's been microwaved. It will explode in your face!!!

I wouldn't use table salt if that's what your implying... Buying USP+ grade sodium chloride from a chemical supply company would be risky enough, but table salt has things in it that's not salt, like iodine and anti-cake chemicals, etc...

[nullorchis (imported)]

When it comes to "trial and error", injecting stuff into your testicles, or brain, or eyeballs, is a bad experiment, unless you don't mind dying.

The rats didn't have a choice in the matter.

You do have a choice.

Choose to not do this and just fantasize about it.

Maybe, just maybe, once the Earth's population is completely over flowing, the government will pay people to be castrated. At nearly 7 billion and counting, that day might be closer than we think.

[nonuts (imported)]

Two key problems:

(1) There have been disasters with both alcohol and Chemcast injections, and

(2) This has been done (so far) only on 20 juvenile laboratory rats.

Before anyone runs off and tries it, we need FAR better information. We don't need another disaster. I will try to run down as much information as I can and let you know....

Jesus,

I know you have more knowledge of the previous posts and threads than possibly anyone else here. I remember a very disastrous experience related by I think it was "scottie" had his very dubious injections of lactic acid. But, which were related to alcohol? I am curious, since alcohol is used medically to shrink localized tumors in of all organs the liver (seems an oxymoron, given the liver is the organ most frequently destroyed from alcohol abuse), but it is very effective, and has saved lives in patients that are not good candidates for surgery. I know this is a hyper-sensitive issue, mostly best avoided on the board, but why exactly? The normal warning applies: just cause something is done safely by doctors, doesn't mean the average Joe should assume it can be done safely in his kitchen, but is this a question of qualification or just pure bad news?

[speedvogel (imported)]

OK, here is my take on injecting saline into ones testicles. The more concentrated solution may possibly do damage, may even possibly destroy them. Not sane procedure at this time as much more research needs to be done.

I have had injected into my testicles normal sterile saline solution as part of intense S&M play. Not a recommended procedure, for sure! I wanted to experience it, considered the risks and decided to go ahead. Dear wife did this to me three times. The first time, we injected about 20 cc into each ball. It was very painful for a while and very erotic and satisfying. The other two times we did this, we injected a full 60 cc into each testicle. It hurt like hell for about 20 minutes before enough was absorbed to relieve the pressure. I liked it a bunch. We also decided we had pushed our luck on possibly doing permanent damage.

Speed

[nullorchis (imported)]

Any injection of fluid into the body should be done in a prescribed manner, unless you are conducting sanctioned ethical research.

Sample:

Objective—To evaluate the effect of intratesticular administration of lidocaine on cardiovascular responses and cremaster muscle tension during castration of isoflurane-anesthetized stallions

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10 ... r.67.3.403

or such as:

Titre du document / Document title

Evaluation of single intratesticular injection of calcium chloride for nonsurgical sterilization in adult albino rats

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17547421

What these research scientists are doing, if it were done to humans, would be something that Nazi Hitler might have done. That they are doing it to rats seems almost macab. They get paid to torture animals. All in the name of research.

I guess if you are interested in having chemicals shot up your nuts contact some of these research labs and volunteer to be their guinea pig. Not that they could officially conduct some of these tests on humans officially or legally, but in the pursuit of knowledge some of them might just be willing to conduct unofficial research.

Don't believe what you read on the internet.

There are some people out there with twisted minds who try and bait people into doing things.

Rememer the sickos who use to put poison into aspirin caplets (Years ago).

People died, and they got their jollies from seeing innocent people die.

Yuck.

Well there are still sickos out there and they will claim, very convincingly, that they did this or did that and got positive results with no harm. They do this knowing that some sucker will take the bait and try doing it, and ultimately harm or kill themselves.

Surely you must realize that everyone who posts information on this site is not an expert, not a professional, may not have personal experience with something, and might just be a faker, liar, or sicko.

Eventually in life you need to trust in somethings and someone. It's a risk we must take.

Be very very very cautious about who and what you believe and the risks you take.

[racona78 (imported)]

Surely your probably right that some people are sickos, but this is a link to an actual medical journal article. The reasearch was conducted to find a better approch (more practical and cheaper) then

orchiectomy and medical castration.

It's definitely in the very preliminary stages of testing, so I wouldn't be running out and grabbing some morton salt from your grocery and injecting it into yourself based on this, that would be a bit nuts.

Using hypertonic saline for chemoablation of tissue has quite a bit of medical journal papers citing it. So its not like some weird new idea to kill tissue. Using it to kill testicles hasn't been done medically yet though to my knowledge. And again dosage is key, these "horror" stories like Scottie with the lactic acid, he injected vastly insanely retardly too much into himself without doing the proper research to find out how much he should use. If he had used the correct dosage it might not of been a horror story...

Haven't seen links for alcohol horror storries, would be intrested in seeing them or others though.