Censorship kills the Eunuch Archive stories

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I recently wrote several fantasy stories for The Eunuch archive. Sadly they have not been posted, due to reasons i do not know. They were fantasy with teen or minor thems but this has been a common thread through out the history of the E.A. like boarding school stories, cowboys and indians and a host of fantasy stories that focus on pre pubescent boys or boy in puberty.

the storeis now really stink. All fluff and no substance. They barely make sense and are bland horrilble stuff. But they get approved.

What hapened to the great fantasy stories that made this site so cool.

If the horrible biased censorship continues we might as well close this site down and let the goverment take over

this is a sad day

wheonly empty stories and tons of german entries are allowed to be in the archive

it is like we have to 'stay within the lines when coloring' well i like to go outside the lines.

who ever monitors and cnesors the stories needs to be REMOVED AS THESE STORIES ARENT WORTH THE EFFORT

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chemdaddy (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:57 am I recently wrote several fantasy stories for The Eunuch archive. Sadly they have not been posted, due to reasons i do not know. They were fantasy with teen or minor thems but this has been a common thread through out the history of the E.A. like boarding school stories, cowboys and indians and a host of fantasy stories that focus on pre pubescent boys or boy in puberty.

the storeis now really stink. All fluff and no substance. They barely make sense and are bland horrilble stuff. But they get approved.

What hapened to the great fantasy stories that made this site so cool.

If the horrible biased censorship continues we might as well close this site down and let the goverment take over

this is a sad day

wheonly empty stories and tons of german entries are allowed to be in the archive

it is like we have to 'stay within the lines when coloring' well i like to go outside the lines.

who ever monitors and cnesors the stories needs to be REMOVED AS THESE STORIES ARENT WORTH THE EFFORT

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There are a few reasons (which have been posted to the story forums here several times) as to why stories are rejected. I'm not going to go into all of that again, either.

The main two are failure to use any tags, and mindless gore and snuff/cannibalism sheerly for the sake of the violence element. What feedback I DO get - which isn't much - seems to indicate that the majority of readers who speak up tend to favor the fluffy genre.

I'd venture to say that your stories were flushed down ol' crapper, if they were in any way as badly written as your post here. My 10 year old writes better than this.

Over the past week, I HAVE ditched about two dozen stories. They were grammatical nightmares, and a large part of them were German stories posted by someone who apparently doesn't read the forums and can't find any of the tags.

By the way, English - which you apparently just have a tenuous grasp at best upon - is not the only language in the world. The Germans have just as much right to post stories as anyone else.

I'm sorry you feel this way, Chemdaddy, but if you don't like the procedures and/or rules for posting stories on THIS forum, then I'd suggest you take your cranky ass on over to somewhere like Nifty or ASSGM and try and follow THEIR rules and see how fast your stories get posted.

You also apparently missed the post about stories not being posted, or very delayed, until the MOM 2008 is over.

And as for "coloring within the lines", we call those rules. I think you're going to find those annoying little things everywhere you go in life.

In the future, as I'm going to refrain from banning your entire geographical reason because I'm in a good mood here at the MOM, I'd advise that you make your inquiries a bit more polite instead of barging in on your SECOND post to the forums with guns blazing.

THAT privilege is reserved for ME.
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Now my ire has been raised.

Chemdaddy, I can tell you one thing. The people that run this place are the most fair, hardest working folk you will ever meet. I know them all personally so me can attest to this with no reservations. They ask for nothing and will protect the concept of free speech to the farthest point they can. They do this for free.

So, my suggestion to you Chemdaddy is you can write a moderator and ask nicely what was wrong with your submissions so that you can modify them/improve them.

But because you desire to take it out of the good folk here please do me a personal favor and take your attitude, your computer, any family members that you have still living, your home, the town you live in and shove them up your ass so far that a brain surgeon could not extract them.

Thank you very much and have a nice day.

tal.
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I usually do not read this forum but for some reason today I noticed it.

You should be aware of this article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It bears on what can be legally posted and what cannot. My stories are not posted on a server in the USA and yet, I would not touch the themes this woman used for fear that the location of the server does not protect me.

This is a cautionary tale to those who wish to post a story that goes beyond certain limits. I'm not saying don't post the story but don't get all discombobulated when your writing is rejected. In the past two years, I've accumulated about 75 rejections of reasonably good stories at various journals and magazines. Most writers I know have at least that many rejections. Not only that, a full blown novel might get 100 rejections all by itself before an editor even reads beyond the first page or first chapter. If you want to be a writer, get used to rejection.

As for bad writing, awful grammar and all those writing sins Paolo outlined. He's right.

Writer's 'monsters' lead to obscenity sentence

Friday, August 08, 2008

By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

For Karen Fletcher, the sentence imposed on her by a federal judge yesterday will not drastically alter her life.

Yes, she was sentenced to five years probation. And yes, the first six months of those, she will be forced to remain inside her Donora home with few exceptions.

But Ms. Fletcher, an agoraphobic, has already spent years inside that house -- afraid to leave. She has no family, and only one friend.

She spends the majority of her time alone, dealing with what she calls her "monsters."

Those monsters are what landed her before U.S. District Judge Joy Flowers Conti. Ms. Fletcher, 56, pleaded guilty to violating federal obscenity law based on a number of stories she wrote that depicted the rape, murder and torture of children.

Though she began writing the stories as a kind of self-imposed therapy, Ms. Fletcher published them on a Web site where she charged members a $10 per month subscription fee.

She had 29 members.

Nearly two years ago, the U.S. attorney's office filed six counts of transmission of obscene matters against Ms. Fletcher.

She originally planned to fight the charges -- and had a team of First Amendment lawyers on her side -- but as the time neared for a trial, her fear of possibly losing and being sentenced to prison was too much for her.

She faced a recommended guideline range of 27 to 33 months in prison. As part of her plea agreement, though, the government agreed incarceration was not appropriate.

That's not because prosecutors didn't believe it was a serious case, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen R. Kaufman.

"The premise of this prosecution is that words have power," he said. "The images conjured by Ms. Fletcher's words are as horrifying or more horrifying than any photographs or videos of child pornography which can be seen on the Internet."

During the plea hearing, Prosecutor Michael I. Yoon summarized the "Red Rose Stories" Web site. It included various sections, including featured authors, audio stories and comments and suggestions.

Ms. Fletcher touted it as the "best exotic fantasy site in the world."

"The individuals willing to pay money to subscribe to this Web site clearly have a very strong sexual interest in children -- not just a sexual interest, but a violent sexual interest," Mr. Kaufman said.

To qualify as obscenity, the government must prove that the material is considered patently offensive under "contemporary community standards."

The test established by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 in Miller v. United States also requires that the material appeals only to "prurient interests," and that it has no serious artistic, literary, social or political value.

Ms. Fletcher made a brief statement to the court prior to sentencing, apologizing for what she'd done.

"I never meant for anything like this to happen," Ms. Fletcher said. "This was never my intention."

In an affidavit filed in the case in April 2007, Ms. Fletcher explained that she started writing the stories a long time ago as an outlet to help her cope with her own sexual abuse and what she described as her "monsters."

"In my stories, I have created new monsters. [They] rise above the horror of the real life monsters," she wrote. "Somehow, making these monsters so much worse makes me feel better, and makes my life seem more bearable.

"I may still be afraid of the monsters, but at least in the stories, they prey on someone else, not me."

Though the stories originally were just for her, she came across an online bulletin board and saw similar writing. Ms. Fletcher decided to post a few of her own stories.

"I recognized that I didn't have to be afraid of rejection because I was hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet," she wrote. "Instead of being rejected, the response was supportive, and some individuals even said that my stories helped them. I felt safer here than at any other time in my life."

Later, she decided to create the "Red Rose" Web site to have better control of what was posted.

Judge Conti told Ms. Fletcher that she would have seriously considered a sentence of incarceration had the government not recommended against it.

"If anyone would have read the story and acted upon it, a little child could have suffered devastation that you would have had to live with for the rest of your life," she said.

In addition to probation and house arrest, Ms. Fletcher must also pay a $1,000 fine.

Paula Reed Ward can be reached at pward@post-gazette.com or 412-263-2620.

First published on August 8, 2008 at 12:00 am

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08221/902713-52.stm
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How painful. This breaks my heart. Thank you for posting this news account.
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My unsolicited 2 pennies worth. I read the stories almost everyday and even wrote a couple myself. The archive is huge, easy to follow, well ordered and organized and believe me I understand that is no easy task. All I can say is THANK YOU to the folks who run this archive. You do an outstanding job.
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Dave (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:02 pm "If anyone would have read the story and acted upon it, a little child could have suffered devastation that you would have had to live with for the rest of your life," she

(Judge Conti) said.

I disagree with the learned Judge. The perpetrator would have to live with it the rest of his life. Not the writer.

If writers are responsible for the actions of their readers then that is the end of fiction as we have come to know and love it. I suspect that as far as child abuse (and most other crime) is concerned the perpetrators are, in any case, complete illiterates.

This same argument could apply to physical violence and abuse of any kind which are popular themes in fiction.

The concept of literary censorship on the grounds that fiction may influence a tiny minority of nutters is more dangerous than the risk it is guarding against. Where do you stop?

It could lead to legislation that makes it treason to criticise the head of state. If they made it retroactive that would mean a lot of trouble for some of the posters here. It would be the end of the land of the free.

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Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. Sometimes attributed to Mark Twain.
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Although I have had a post removed because it was judged to be porn and the pictures and albums section of profiles is virtually shut down because of concern over what abusers might post: I still believe the Archive is the best site I've found for discussions and free exchange of ideas among adults. Thanks to all concerned for this service. 🙏
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I appologize to everyone but i was very disapointed. I do have an issue with dyslexia and some of my words come out backwards or jumbled up. But I do enjoy this site stories and the people in it. I was very disapoined and upset my story was not issued. It was fantasy, not too gory or over the egde . I admit my spelling isuses are big becuase i have a form of dsyliexia, ( which i cant spell) but i went to and graduated college so rest assured i am not a bumbling baffoon.

No one stopped to relaize I am in support of our web site. when i read other stories that got posted, with bad spelling and grammar mistakes like the whole "linda's toy" series, which was some good reading and fun until the 4th part, i was disapointed about mine not being passed, as it was the regular type stuff.

so sorry to every body and i cant believe how mad people get when things are discussed

and not every one has to agree but all to follow.
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