New LA Chemical Castration Law

[jane_says (imported)]

Bobby Jindal has signed a chemical castration for rapists bill into law in Lousiana:

http://www.kalb.com/index.php/news/arti ... bill/9539/

I guess if the Supreme Court won't allow him to execute the child molesters, he'll have to settle for this.

[plix (imported)]

And as usual, anyone who is chemically castrated under this law must still go to prison. This only serves to prove that these castration laws are only about adding more punishment and vengeance to the mix, not about any sort of attempt at rehabilitation of sex offenders.

Never mind that telling these people we know they are still human and are only in need of help might actually do more to prevent crime than punishment and vegeance. Am I the only one who would like to actually see progress made toward the reduction and prevention of serious crime?

It's always about punishing them more and punishing them even more yet. And since they only worry about how much more punishment they can come up with after the fact, nothing is done to prevent the crimes from actually happening in the first place, and they continue just as frequently as before.

This goes to show that we as humans are all alike indeed. The offender harms another, and we can't rest until we've harmed him in return ourselves. And so the cycle continues.

[ramses (imported)]

I agree, Plix. More needs to be done to "help" people that are sick. Where can a man go and ask for help because he is attracted to people under 18? How horrible would it be for someone to be attracted to children especially if their proclivities were for ONLY children. It is certainly no excuse for their actions but there is little help for them unless they are caught acting out. I'm sure some people are wired for pedo just like some people are wired for hetero or homo.

If someone could be castrated and become a nonthreatening productive member of society, they should. Prison is a far too expensive solution to simply punish someone that can be "fixed" medically.

P.S.- Don't start with the, "rape is not about sex, it's an act of violence". That is 70's femenist bullshit that is no more than a cliche. Rape is just a fucked up sexual deviance. Ever heard of a eunuch raping someone?

[Batman (imported)]

P.S.- Don't start with the, "rape is not about sex, it's an act of violence". That is 70's femenist bullshit that is no more than a cliche. Rape is just a fucked up sexual deviance. Ever heard of a eunuch raping someone?

Spoken with all empathy of one who has never been raped...but maybe you're right...

she was asking for it...

or

you saw how she dressed, she wanted it!

I'd give some other cliches but I don't know which ones apply to minors/children

I don't need a feminist to tell me rape is an act of violence. A brutal act.

Batman

[Kangan (imported)]

And as usual, anyone who is chemically castrated under this law must still go to prison. This only serves to prove that these castration laws are only about adding more punishment and vengeance to the mix, not about any sort of attempt at rehabilitation of sex offenders.

Never mind that telling these people we know they are still human and are only in need of help might actually do more to prevent crime than punishment and vegeance. Am I the only one who would like to actually see progress made toward the reduction and prevention of serious crime?

It's always about punishing them more and punishing them even more yet. And since they only worry about how much more punishment they can come up with after the fact, nothing is done to prevent the crimes from actually happening in the first place, and they continue just as frequently as before.

This goes to show that we as humans are all alike indeed. The offender harms another, and we can't rest until we've harmed him in return ourselves. And so the cycle continues.

Yes, unfortunately, the trend is more severe punishment. Why bother to castrate them if they still have to go to prison? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the illogic of that!

Along those lines -- my own feeling is that the Sex Offender Registries are not about prevention, but about punishment.

[Hash (imported)]

Why should we spend tax money for the drugs that chemically castrate? If they let a sex offender out of prison, will he continue to be supplied with testosterone hormone blockers? Isn't it also true that prolonged use of testosterone blockers can lead to cancer and or other health reltated problems? So maybe the state of Louisiana will be accused of killing them slowly.

Bobby Jindal should have signed a bill for regular castration. I have no sympathy for pedophiles, sorry. If you have a "taste" for children, you should get castrated now, not after you scar a child for life or hurt them physcially. Very few if any sex offenders rehabilitate fully, but castration can take away or greatly reduce sexual desire. Getting them help is morally the right thing to do if they want help, what if they don't?

[Tclosetgirl (imported)]

And as usual, anyone who is chemically castrated under this law must still go to prison. This only serves to prove that these castration laws are only about adding more punishment and vengeance to the mix, not about any sort of attempt at rehabilitation of sex offenders.

No disrespect intended, food for thought however:

Show me a SINGLE STUDY - ANYWHERE ANYTIME that shows a successful treatment of a child molestor other than castration...

I'd welcome that evidence but to date the last report I read said there has been none - it's mental in nature driven by testosterone.

It *IS* a form of therapy and offering them help - now I have not seen the repeat offend rate for chemically castrated felons but I'd LIKE to - it may very well help them as well....

And who's to say, a lot of us have had the chemical castration and KNOW that our lives are a LOT calmer after the fact - very well could be that they too would enjoy that.......once it's gone you don't miss it, much....

[JesusA (imported)]

There has been some good academic research on the effect of castration on re-offending by pedophiles. Probably the most cited work is that by Reinhard Wille and Klaus Beier. I have posted the abstract to that article in another thread, Castration in Germany (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8762), which is the title of the article that they published in Annals of Sex Research in 1989. An up-dated article, based on further research, has been promised, but not yet published. Wille has written that the research confirms and extends the earlier ariticle.

I have also posted a brief bibliography on articles on the subject in the thread titled Rapist Castration report (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11913). The bibliography is post #7 on the thread.

The research seems to indicate that if the sex offender really wants to change and seeks the castration of his own volition in order to reduce his libido, it nearly always allows him to live a normal life and not offend again. The recidivism rate is less than 3%. (Zero is some studies.) In those cases where castration is imposed on an unwilling offender, it is far less likely to work as he will find a way around the chemical or surgical castration – not getting his shots or seeking black market testosterone.

[stevesd (imported)]

I think they should be surg castrated, to remind them of what their testicles and demented drive in their big heads caused them to do harm to another person. I was Raped in SF CA when I was 18 by two Black men, I was drunk but never the less, it was against my wishes and I had to be taken to SF General for medical treatment. My ass bleed from what they did to me..they should have been castrated!!!!

[plix (imported)]

Why should we spend tax money for the drugs that chemically castrate? If they let a sex offender out of prison, will he continue to be supplied with testosterone hormone blockers? Isn't it also true that prolonged use of testosterone blockers can lead to cancer and or other health reltated problems? So maybe the state of Louisiana will be accused of killing them slowly.

Bobby Jindal should have signed a bill for regular castration. I have no sympathy for pedophiles, sorry. If you have a "taste" for children, you should get now, not after you scar a child for life or hurt them physcially. Very few if any sex offenders rehabilitate fully, but castration can take away or greatly reduce

the desire.

Try for a minute to put yourself in the shoes of a pedophile. He has desires to be sexually involved with children, just the same way you have desires to be sexually involved with men, women, or whoever/whatever your desires are for. Even though he has these desires, deep down he doesn't want to hurt anyone. But the desires are strong, and he is afraid that someday he may not be able to control them.

So he wonders if he might seek help in order to learn ways to control the desires and also have someone to talk to about them. He notices the attitudes that almost every single person in our society has toward people struggling with attraction to children, and he realizes that he absolutely cannot tell anyone. If he does, he recognizes, he will be extremely lucky if he is not stoned to death.

Since getting help for pedophilia before any offenses are committed is an absolute taboo to discuss or educate on, he is not aware that he can see a therapist and the therapist must keep his pedophilia confidential (goodness only knows when this will change though, and therapists will be required to report anyone who has ever had a single sexual thought about a 17 year-old woman who has long completed puberty). But even if he does know that, he knows that therapists are human and as such have the same tendency to judge and hate as all other humans do. So he knows that even though the therapist will act professionally and treat him with respect on the outside, on the inside the therapist is thinking, "You sick, perverted monster. You should be burned alive," and he is not comfortable with this.

Seeing that he can't seek help anywhere without risking losing his job, his family, his self-respect, and quite possibly his life, he decides it would be better not to seek help, to just keep quiet and hope for the best. One day, however, his desires do get the best of him and he performs a sexual act with a child. He is caught, arrested, and imprisoned for life. All the time he is in prison, he wonders why he couldn't seek help, why someone couldn't have been kind enough to still treat him with love and respect if he had come forward. He truly believes that if it had been safe for him to ask for help, he would have, and he never would have hurt the child, which he hates himself every day for having done. Eventually he is beaten to death by his fellow inmates for his crime.

As long as people express these sorts of hateful attitudes toward anyone struggling with this condition, they will refuse to come forward, and I do not blame them at all. Why should they even try to ask for help, when they know they will be treated as if they have already performed sexual acts with every single child in the world?

Maybe you still don't give a shit about the pedophile, and if so, that is your right. But consider this - if we actually learn to treat them with love and respect while encouraging them to seek help before they commit any crime, then maybe you will be saving the life, or at least the innocence, of a child. Perhaps that thought will be enough to convince us to change our attitudes toward these people living in such tragic circumstances.