On Viagra & Such.

[madscientist (imported)]

:p Well, now they've done it. We now have a testosterone patch to enhance female libido after menopause. Think about it, boys & girls. You can now fuck your brains out into your 80's, 90's & even into your grave.

Is that all we are, nothing more than cocks & cunts? Can't men & women, or 2 men or 2 women, for that matter, find better things to do together? How about attending a movie, play, opera, ballet, NASCAR race, ball game. Hell, anything you are in to. Play a game or sport, or just be together. But certainly the human race can live without perpetual, unproductive sex.

I really don't know what is wrong with this culture of ours. It seems that the longer it goes on, the more base it gets. But then the sex industry is like any other industry, I guess. As long as there are people who want it, or are led to believe that they want it, there will always be a vendor willing to feed that desire. It is the American way.

[Andrew (imported)]

This, of course, is one of the reasons surgeons will not perform castrations on demand, even if the operation extends your life by 10-15 years. The surgeons have also been conditioned to believe that sex and orgasms are vital to humans, and that not wanting them is a sign of grave mental illness.

I have no idea how to overcome this huge bias. So I guess we will continue to have underground cutters who can kill or maim. At this point in time, for those who cannot afford the legal services of Dr. Spector/Dr. Kimmel, or the Thailand surgeons, I have come to the conclusion that androcur may be the "safest" method, assuming you can obtain it. And even androcur might cause side effects like liver damage.

What we really need is for one of the younger members of the Eunuch Archives to dedicate himself/herself into becoming a Doctor/surgeon who will perform this operation on demand, both for the eunuchs and for the MTF transgenders. I doubt if, atage 57, I would be able to do this.

[Charlieje (imported)]

This is an observation, not a solution.

Over the past (almost) five years that I have been a eunuch, I have often thought of the power I now have. If I want to be sexual, all I have to do is shove a needle in my butt and almost instantly I am 18 again sexually. But I don't, because I know now that I am better off without it. When I was 20, 30, even 40, I would have killed anyone cheerfully who tried to take my nuts! But now that they are gone I realize how wrong I was.

Yes, we need more widespread castration in this world of ours, but I seriously doubt that it will ever happen.

I recall the year my son was 17. He and I had been inseperable from the time he could walk! I would go on business trips, and he would be totally out of sorts until I returned. I was his hero, almost his god! Then he turned 17 and fell in love, and suddenly his god became "that fuckin' asshole" overnight!

A very wise man talked to me about it. Needless to say I was devastated, we had been such good friends for 17 years. The friend told me "don't fight it! there is no force on earth stronger than the pull of those hormones! Just be his cushion when he falls."

Sure enough he fell, hard! But after I had cushioned his fall he got up and did the very same thing again! It took two years for him to come to grips with his hormones - two years of hell for me! Now he is 32 and married, and we are best friends again. But that is what we are dealing with. That's what hormones and sex can do to us, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

[madscientist (imported)]

I agree with you about anti-androgens, although my drug of choice is Depo-Provera, even though it is not 100% effective (I should get a commission from Upjohn for all the promos I make). And as far as surgery is concerned, I don't think anyone would risk a lawsuit performing what the medical establishment would consider "unnecessary surgery" in this country. The only "legitamate" reason for orchiectomy, as far as they are concerned, is for prostate or testicular cancer. An overactive libido, unfortunately, is not deemed valid.

[Master Waddie (imported)]

MadScientist~

You poor thing! You must have never had really good sex. What a narrow minded view of a natural function of our psyches and bodies to simply lump every sex act other than procreation as "unproductive sex". Furthermore, to state that the sale or pushing of sex is the "American Way" might find some argument from the ultra right wing to say nothing of those of us who find sex to be uplifting (pun intended), rewarding, fulfilling, re-creational, and damn near a religious experience. (no disrespect meant to the devout!)

If you're speaking from a gay perspective, then I can empathise with your frustration. The gay scene and the whole social concept of meeting an adaquate, caring, sexual partner in a gay bar is at best, limited; however, I can't be sympathetic with what would appear to be your own personal ax to grind against sex for what ever reason. (i.e. lack of partners, bad initial exposure to, early negative conditioning , homosexual/hetrosexual sexual guilt, or just plain laziness on your part.....)

Being a gay man I have no wish nor biological need to reproduce. I do have a great need to experience recreational sex. Why is it that the words to define such are very similar: Pro-creation/ Re-creation? Ain't no accident!

It's also no accident that man is the only species on our planet without a bone in the penis. To achieve penetration we must experience erection and the only way to do that is through mental stimulation or conditioning (i.e. fetishism). (The lightest thing in the world? A dick, a thought can lift it!) With that in mind, is it any wonder that man thinks about and is often times obsessed with sexual thoughts? It has been argued that the same mental stimulus that creates within us the ability to procreate is the same stimulus that provided us the intellect to imagine or understand a higher power.

To suggest that it's base or beneath us as humans is to forget that we share the exact homeoitic genes as every other mammal, yea, every living creature on this planet. The fruit fly has the same controling homeoitic genes that we do! I love the animal inside me and try my best to introduce others to their's.

I, for one, have raised sex above the level of the dirty little mind that views sex as "unproductive" or something that humans, as thinking, rational beings, should join together to rise above. The sex that I have with my slave may be closely and justifiably compared to "performance art". ( It might be argued that much of great "art" is the direct or sublimated expression of man's sexual urges.)

Our sex is at once, fulfilling, recreational, emotional, bonding, caring, physical release, and last but not least, downright fun! (And to fuel your resolve, we sometimes get down and dirty and get it all over us.......)

As to the prospect of sex into my eighties and nineties? Gotta' love Professor Bunsen and them boys at Muppet Labs! I say a prayer of thanks and pass them patches! To think I might still have the urge to tie my boy to the ceiling and set his hair on fire as an octogenarian makes me old dick drool at the prospect. (steady big fellow, get 'em up Scout!)

I wish I could provide the experience for you; unfortunately, I have enough converts as it is. Perhaps I might provide you with a tape of one of my slave's worship services.

Sex is a part of the banquet of life. If you want to skip dessert, that's your loss.

Master Waddie :p

(The above is meant as an opposing point of view. What ever humor, or passionate statements are not intended to castigate or hurt the feelings of the original poster.)

[plezherus (imported)]

Master Waddie,

I would agree that sex is something that should be enjoyed. In fact, one should not let society or another individual restrict or define what sexual pleasure is for another. If a person sees sexual activity as an intense emotional experience, is that person defective because they do not achieve orgasm? I would say, only in the case where the individual experiences suffering as a result of the lack of orgasm.

I would assert that many people who are living in marriage, the sanctioned sexual partnership, are as frustrated as the single floaters who can not seem to "get it on." Many of these people used sexual energy to find a spouse, settle down and even by a home. (I love letting those real estate agents show me what they got!) So what is up with people who operate, or relate on sexual energy? Are they now enslaved to their sex drive? Forever searching for that perfect score? I know the answer is YES. Why or how?

Well...ahh...umm...ahh...ohhhhhh....CAUSE I GOT IT LIKE THAT BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Welcome to fantasy Island"

-plezherus

[SplitDick (imported)]

The problem is that the healthy, sexual, male in today's society does not get many healthy outlets for that sexuality, especially during adolescence. Hormones are indeed very strong forces that do shape the psyche. Years of sexual frustration during adolescence can severely warp a persons ability to enjoy "productive" sexual relations.

However, healthy sexuality cannot simply be "anything goes" sexuality. There has been a societal evolution toward fairly conservative views on sex (most of the world is ruled by Judeo-Christian-Muslim views on sexuality), so there must be some good reason why societies are stronger if they suppress sex. I have mentioned this elsewhere, but the simplest reason is sexual disease -- countries in Africa are currently being decimated by promiscuity (causing 75% of population to get HIV).

Hopefully societies will find a middle ground. Where people like us are not conflicted about our sexuality, and have opportunities to enjoy sexual outlets that are allowed by society in such a way as it does not weaken it. I think/hope that the Internet might cause a positive influence on society by giving a true view into peoples private and sometimes troubled sexualities.

[Master Waddie (imported)]

Plezherus & Split Dick,

You guys raise some interesting points. Hopefully, that's what a good exchange of ideas should be about. Plezherus, you're correct to point out that some folks become comsumed by the 'hunt' or search for sex. Others use sex as a means of self destruction. Sex can become addictive as any other activity (i.e. drugs, alcohol, tobacco, TV, ....etc.) that directly influence

the endorphines of the brain. People may become addicted to other people. Happens all the time. What someone swears to you is love is in a greater reality, addiction. The trick is learning to tell the difference and to see the signs of addiction.

Everything in moderation should be the underlying motto of everyone entering into the vast world of adulthood. Those who abuse or become addicted to sex are not looking for a healthy outlet for their sexual drive and emotions. Addiction is about replacement. You try to replace something within you that'sempty with something else. What happens to people that go to AA or any other 12 step organization. They replace one addiction for another. Granted it is a better choice of life style than chronic alcoholism!

SplitDick~

Thought I'd respond to your statements per line.

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Hormones are indeed very strong forces that do shape the psyche. Years of sexual frustration during adolescence can severely warp a persons ability to enjoy "productive" sexual relations.

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Indeed, hormones are a strong force as they were meant to be. It's a natural occurance brought about by evolution. Here again, to deny that and the urges brought about by nature is to try to set us apart from nature. "We're here and understand but our arm pits don't stink!" As for anyone enjoying "productive" sexual relations, well, that needs some clearification. Do you mean "productive" as in "reproductive"? If not how do you define "productive sexual relations"? Then who says, or why would you seem to think that sex has to be "productive"? (Judao-Christian-Catholic instilled dogma, perhaps?) Why can't sex be simply "recreational"? Most forms of recreation don't "produce" very much.

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However, healthy sexuality cannot simply be "anything goes" sexuality.

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Now, Sweetheart, who told you that? First of all, how do you define "healthy sexuality"? Are you talking about healthy mental attitudes or missionary position, Morman sex? Are you talking safe, condum wearing sex? What is "anything goes" sexuality? Anything two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home to find satisifactory sexual release is not open for judgment by anyone as either "healthy" or "anything goes". (Although, the fundies sure as Hell want a venue in that area and will if you

don't exercise your right to vote.)

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There has been a societal evolution toward fairly conservative views on sex (most of the world is ruled by Judeo-Christian-Muslim views on sexuality), so there must be some good reason why societies are stronger if they suppress sex.

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Hon...neeeee! 9/11 is a prime example of the frustration and suppression of male testosterone and the misguided purpose of most organized religions. For all their well meaning retoric, religions were never founded for the betterment of mankind! They were founded for the control of mankind! "But it's the word of God....." really, as spoken to whom? And, what particular ax did he have to grind? Are the concepts, religious practices and sexual taboos set down by goat herders over two thousand years ago applicable in todays society? Not to me they aren't!

The last part about a "good reason" is NOT a good reason for religions to suppress sex of anykind. There again is the aspect of control. Make someone feel bad enough about themselves through instilled guilt and loathing and you can control him. I know Master's that keep their slave's in tow exactly by that method. Not my particular cup of tea. I choose to gain devotion from my slave from a sense of belonging, appreciation and demanding his respect. In return I protect him, see to his needs, love him, expect only his best and take him to the vet twice a year for his shots.

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I have mentioned this elsewhere, but the simplest reason is sexual disease -- countries in Africa are currently being decimated by promiscuity (causing 75% of population to get HIV).

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You state the above like sex is a disease. I understand you're probably alluding to "sexually transmitted diseases" but it is curious how the first statement almost speaks of sex as a disease! A bit of a Freudian slip there, my dear? Do you really see sex as a disease? Furthermore, "promiscuity" is not killing the Africans! It is the disease AIDS and the apathy of the rest of the Judeo-Chrisitan-Muslim world who control the resources to do something about it and refuse are killing the people of Africa. Why? You figure it out!

Populations decimated. Small voices to be heard when the rest of the "global society" wishes to slice the pie. Think I'm wrong? Just you wait and watch! Remember, you heard it here!

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Hopefully societies will find a middle ground. Where people like us are not conflicted about our sexuality, and have opportunities to enjoy sexual outlets that are allowed by society in such a way as it does not weaken it. I think/hope that the Internet might cause a positive influence on society by giving a true view into peoples private and sometimes troubled sexualities.

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I never want society to "allow" me to do anything in the privacy of my own bedroom! Better you should think about what you are going to "allow" society to judge as acceptable. Or whether you are going to "allow" society to judge at all! You tell me what sexual acts between any consenting adults, that are mutually beneficial, weakens a society? As far as "people like us" being conflicted about our sexuality......please, don't include me and mine in that generalization! We're very sure about our sexuality and it's mutual benefits. "Ain't that right, slave! Nod your head 'yes'! Good boy!" He agreed!

Master Waddie :p

[Paolo]

Well I don't know what else to add here! Everyone has rasied some pretty good points.

About all I can add, provided that I didn't read over it, is the issue on how "sex sells" as Madscientist states. It does. Look at the $$$ that Viagra racked up. Need I say more there?

For some reason, a LOT of people like sex. Some people don't. Some don't care ... and here we are at EA discussing it.

We must be doing something right, after all.

:p

[A-1 (imported)]

Sex is over-emphasized because people try to prohibit it.

Like the story of (excuse the expression) Pandora's Box.

The quickest way to get a kid to have sex is to positively FORBID it!

It is human nature to look where you are told not to look, to try what is not recommended and to copulate during a female's fertile time. (48 hours every 28 days or so.)

If we would just look at things sexual and say "so"? I remember this lady at the zoo laughing at monkeys copulating. That is the attitude of most of the world toward sex. They either laugh at it, try to punish somebody for partaking in it or act liked crazed idiots over the sight of a good-looking potential sex partner.

I mean it is not TOTALLY hormonal. We CAN control it, but, we LEARN NOT to control it. We can walk upright and we CAN control our base urges.

A-1