biblical view on castration?

[randy (imported)]

hi im randy im new here

im a born again Christian, i want to stay in God's will at all times. i have prayed for over a year about becoming a eunuch and so far i have had nothing but peace and open doors. in the bible there is not much about castration.. the only verse in the NT about eunuchs is matthew 19:12 but that verse doesnt really make perfect sense to me. i take it as spiritual and not a decree to become castrated. in the law there is Deuteronomy 23:1 which reads "He who is emasculated by crushing or mutilation shall not enter the assembly of the LORD." how did you as a Christian, decide that castration was acceptable in Gods eyes ?

thank you

awaiting His return,

randy.

matthew 19.12 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

[JesusA (imported)]

Castration in the Bible and castration in Christian history are topics that have been discussed many times here on the Eunuch Archive, sometimes in great detail. Your first step toward answering your questions ought to be to search out and read some of these earlier pieces.

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[A-1 (imported)]

hi im randy im new here

im a born again Christian, i want to stay in God's will at all times. i have prayed for over a year about becoming a eunuch and so far i have had nothing but peace and open doors. in the bible there is not much about castration.. the only verse in the NT about eunuchs is matthew 19:11 but that verse doesnt really make perfect sense to me. i take it as spiritual and not a decree to become castrated. in the law there is Deuteronomy 23:1 which reads "He who is emasculated by crushing or mutilation shall not enter the assembly of the LORD." how did you as a Christian, decide that castration was acceptable in Gods eyes ?

thank you

awaiting His return,

randy.

matthew 19.11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

O.K.,

Let me say this about that. You may WANT

to stay in God's will at all times,

but it is not possible because you are here to LIVE and experience life. YOU WILL SIN. You cannot help it. It is not what you do. It is what you DO about what you DO.

In Christ's short lifetime he dealt with Eunuchs.

Why would you think that it would be any more of a problem being a Eunuch than eating a piece of Ham or eating a Lobster or a Catfish for that matter? Did not Christ free Christians from the Levitical law or should Christians be sacrificing unblemished animals to God?

Let me say this, however.

If you want to lose your interest in sex through castration, DO NOT use either Christianity or the Bible as either an excuse NOR to justify it. You will NEVER be satisfied that you know the mind of GOD in this matter.

YOU have a sex drive for a reason. You need to explore that reason and NOT find a way around things in life that seem unpleasant to you at a certain time. You think that the crucifixion was enjoyable to Jesus? However, did he avoid it? You do what you have to do.

REMEMBER, All of your good works are but filthy rags before God.

If you must do it then do it. If it is wrong then you can be forgiven for it if the WORD is true. This is what GRACE is all about. However, please, try not to hurt anybody and think that this is O.K. because of GRACE. IT IS NEVER OK to do harm BECAUSE GRACE will let you be forgiven.

Will castration or nullification HARM YOU?

Sex is to be enjoyed. If you sin when you have sex then you can be forgiven later. Otherwise, how do you expect that mankind can fulfill prophesy if no men exist because it is a sin to have sex?

Is there is more joy to be had in sex or in castration?

Do IT! Be castrated or even NULLIFIED if you must but, Please, leave God out of it.

The world is already fucked up enough without this... Go find somebody to love and start behaving like you don't have a NEUROSIS.

Who knows?

It may even go away ...with the grace of God ... :shakemitk

[IbPervert (imported)]

In a nutshell....

Humans desire to control other humans so they create religious dogma and legal laws to do so, BUT god does not care for dogma and legal laws.

God wants you to come down to earth and learn then report back!

[Arab Nights (imported)]

Not bad, A-1. Not bad.

[coinflipper_21 (imported)]

I think that the Old Testament view of castration, that 'a man who is not whole in is private parts may not enter into the House of the Lord', and that 'a man who has removed his ability to procreate is twice a murderer', comes from the injunction to 'be fruitful and multiply'. In other words, we have to out breed those other guys. There has to be more of us than of them. Almost every religion has this basic tenant

According to the traditional religious view, for a man to have a vasectomy is just as much an abomination as his being castrated. Humm...I wonder how many of the devoutly religious sitting in the church pews of this country every Sunday have had vasectomies? Judging by the current birth rates, I would guess quite a few. Will they be able to enter the House of the Lord?

God only knows.

[IbPervert (imported)]

Correct Coinflipper_21...in any culture you have to have sufficient population to survive. This includes such things genetic diversity, food supplies, fighting of hostile forces, surviving under the occupation of a hostile force, etc....if there are not enough people then your type dies off. There is genetic evidence that along time ago mankind had a mass die off and the whole population went down to about 15 people which is above the bare minimum needed for viable reproduction (having enough people to prevent genetic problems such as inbreeding). That presents further proof that there had to more people then just Adam and Eve other wise Cain and Abel married their Sisters. Oh, wait the bible does not say they had Sisters or Brothers, so they must have sex with each other! oh my!

[plix (imported)]

As our Jesus has said, we have discussed this topic many times before, and I suspect we will be discussing it many times more.

The key to Matthew 19:12 is not the part about becoming a eunuch, but rather the last part. "Thos

e who can accept this should accept it."

That part is very important because it makes clear what Christ intends for people to do about castration. He knows that very few men will be able to accept it, so he doesn't tell everyone to go out and get castrated. He tells only those who can accept it that they should. For those who cannot, the vast majority, he tells them they are OK the way they are.

I am not quite sure how the Old Testament plays a role here. The Deuteronomy verse you mention is part of the old covenant, which is not the current covenant. Christ said that he came to fulfill the law, and by believing in him, you have fulfilled it too. Not to say that you can go out and do whatever you want, but you won't be stoned to death or cut off from the assembly of the Lord for doing it.

[kennath7 (imported)]

plix

that is the best that i have read yet

[A-1 (imported)]

I think that the Old Testament view of castration, that 'a man who is not whole in is private parts may not enter into the House of the Lord', and that 'a man who has removed his ability to procreate is twice a murderer', comes from the injunction to 'be fruitful and multiply'. In other words, we have to out breed those other guys. There has to be more of us than of them. Almost every religion has this basic tenant

According to the traditional religious view, for a man to have a vasectomy is just as much an abomination as his being castrated. Humm...I wonder how many of the devoutly religious sitting in the church pews of this country every Sunday have had vasectomies? Judging by the current birth rates, I would guess quite a few. Will they be able to enter the House of the Lord?

God only knows.

Once again, an attempt to control sex between two people by applying a scripture to a situation that has NO RELAVANCE to it whatsoever.

...any asshole that dones not know the difference between castration and vasection probably NEEDS castration...

"TRADITIONAL" in this sense means "Controlling".

In the words of the late, great Earl Butts...

"....if you no-a play-a da game, you can no-a make-a de rules!"

...honestly, what NUMBSKULL comes up with this shit? Probably one who finds hookers in the French Quarter. (Just a small trip from Baton Rouge)