I think I finally found it!

[tr_80504 (imported)]

After talking with several people and reading the post I have decided to go with Androcur to pretty much kill the libido. I will be going in for a complete physical as soon as I can get in. 43 years old and haven’t had one for a very long time.I am over all pretty healthy but firure it is time for a phyical. Just looking to get some opinions. Should I bring it up I am self medicating with Androcur to kill my libido? And if so should I just bring it up casually just in a way to make him aware? Or would I be better off just not mentioning it? I don’t really have a relationship per say with the doc, I have just been in a time or too for this or that over the last 3 years. I am not sure what the repercussions could be in telling him that if any.

Thanks Terry

[gpb3aol (imported)]

Hi Terry, my advice is to get a new doctor. One that you well be comfortable enough to be honest with. I recent dumped my old doctor, who was a good doctor is your a striaght non transgender challenged person. I now have a wonder GP who not only know my TG status but supports it. Just my thoughts.

Pauline.

[cogman (imported)]

Hi Terry, Just be aware that it takes a LONG time (months) before your actual libido changes start. Be careful not to overshoot the mark with the Androcur. It can make you feel very ordinary like crap and its just not necessary!!! You will notice the physical effects of lower T way before you notice libido reduction...eg breathlessness, weakness + others, it is fine to back off the androcur so you feel pretty normal but keep it at a level where u can tolerate.

It takes far longer for the libido effect to occur because so much is in your mind, or at least it was/is for me.

I am off the adrocur entirely now for a good 4 months I think and just taking a 1mg finasteride which just recently started getting firmons again at night. I found a combination of both was a real organ shut down.

From a mental perspective my libido is definitely significantly lower then it was before I started out on this journey, its still there, but then I never wanted to kill it. But I do feel less inclined to get angry with my wife for not putting out, and things do function OK but not as "strongly" as before. Cock ring works wonders...lol

I think the depression risk is a loss of the feeling of virility. Before my libido began to wane I craved the loss of the strength of erection when it was required. it kind of made me feel mortal and old. The ABILITY to perform waned some time before the WANT to perform waned, but now I just don't care as much and yet I love my wife more than ever.

For the record (from memory)

I started out

1 Week 100mg/day (by the end of the week morning erections gone)

About 2 weeks on 50mg per day

1 month on 25mg per day

1 month on 13mg + 1mg finasteride (this combo seemed to have the biggest impact on libido and function despite the low dose of androcur)

Then I went on and off the Androcur over a few months, but found the combination took me further into gonad shutdown than I wanted.

finasteride by itself seems to be able to maintain the state satisfactorily so far but its slowly coming back, but the good thing about finasteride is that physically I feel normal, strength seems normal and its cheaper than androcur not to mention the health aspects, but I doubt finasteride by itself would get one there, but I don't know for sure.

All that said it would appear everyone is different, so you will have to find what works for you.

The most important thing moving forward is BE PATIENT, it takes time, and you CAN get yourself in the shit from a depression and emotional point of view.

BTW I also find I am having trouble with my weight, but my habits have also changed somewhat so I can't pin it entirely on the chems.

[tr_80504 (imported)]

Well I ordered Cyproterone last Saturday and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. I have allot of hope riding on this that it will be a viable way to make things better with my marriage and decrease the burning desire I have to constantly look at porn and masturbate. I have of late even gone back to my old ways off looking at Craig’s list thinking about something on the side.

I hope to be able to effectively kill my libido without too many adverse side effects. I am looking at 100mg for 2 weeks and then cutting back too 50mg possibly 25mg as I have heard that will work effectively in some cases. How does one go about determining that? Is it by trial and error? If I can tolerate it and the Mrs. doesn’t mind. I think I would be very happy at castration level. Sex is at this point a major distraction that I don’t need or want.

[gpb3aol (imported)]

Well I'm not a doctor, but if you're not under a doctors supervision, I start low and work up. I have sort of the same problem you do and I take Spironolactone and I started at 25mg a day now 50mg. All these drugs have side effects effecting each person in different ways. My advice is to start slow and work up.

Pauline.

[tr_80504 (imported)]

Well just finished week 1 of 100mg of siterone per day and so far feel real good. My morning wood is pretty much non existent (semi hard), no tiredness as of this point, no desire for sex or to look at porn . I have looked a couple of times but I no longer get hard from looking at pictures or reading stories. I use to almost immediately. I can at this point still get erect with manual manipulation I haven’t felt this relaxed and comfortable with myself for quite some time. I don’t know but maybe some of it is in my head as it has only been a week, if so I will still take it at that as it still feels great.

I will be going in for a physical on the 21st and decided to just come right out and tell him what I am doing and ask him for his blessing so to speak and to assist in monitoring my levels. If he can’t deal with it and help me I guess I will try another doc.

[dancinggizmos (imported)]

Good luck with what you do, it is quite a decision to make and I am sure at your age you know that.

Some of us younger guys have some problems though with missing the drive after it is gone, I have read however that treatment is available for an overactive libido, a hyperactive testosterone level called Hyperactive Testicles if I recall the correct DX, I think this should be more open than what it is.

As some medical professionals post and say that an overactive libido can be corrected, or higher than normal testosterone levels.

If I had it to do over again I would have my Testosterone levels over the scale where my body normally should have functioned, however I seem to be doing well with the 10 mg of Testosterone gel 5 mg 2 x 's a day.

Some guys though around my age have made the decision and like it. It just depends all on the person and how the body as well as you react to the changes.

If it is what you are looking for great.

As far as fantisies go you can make them come true, then they can become your worst nightmare.

I have learned and I am still learning and progressing to get my hormone levels as close as possible to the original levels as they had been.

I know that this can perhaps take some time to do as well as if you are wanting to loose your sex drive and masculine agressiveness, you have tried some anti androgen treatments and are sure what you want to do, good luck.

Too bad we are running low on Dr's when I spoke with Dr Spector from time to time he was doing quite well and sounded good, the last time I spoke with him he did seem like he may not have been doing so well.

I do not personally know Dr Kimmel or have I spoke to him, however I wonder how he is doing, I do recall a thread on here in regards to Kimmel, as far as any other Physicians go I do not know for males who want and or need the testicles removed where to turn besides the friends that get fantisies from doing the procedure or other dangerous ways I have heard things done.

Hopefully Kimmel will coninue to do a good job until a replacement can be found, which is not an easy task.

I think what Dr Kimmel needs to do is find a Physician who is serious and invite him into practice with him then progress to take over the practice.

Like Mary Bowers took over For Stanely Biber in Trinidad CO, the two big TG Dr's as Dr Biber is now dead his TG patient became an M.D. and took over practicing as Stanley Biber did.

Mary Bowers will only perform such procedure if it is a medical necessity or if you are TG, she has requirements that are a little off I would say.

With our medical Ethics in the USA we as a patient have such little freedom due to all the regualtions that exist it makes it hard to get the treatment you deserve and pay for, when the Government does not even pay they want to regulate everything!

[tr_80504 (imported)]

I am just trying to get some info on T levels. I have been taking 50mg 2 x's per day for 5 weeks now and feel great. At week 3 my T level came back at 66 there referance range is 241-827. I of course want to take the losest dose possible but am hesitant to reduce because of how good I feel and also I want to make sure I am at my T low.

My understanding , correct me if I am wrong. It is not unusual for someonme that is surgically castrated to still have some level of T in there body as there is another gland (cant remember) that produces some T. So basically my question is would 66 be considered castrate level? And if so would lowering my dose to say 25mg 2x's a day be a good start?

I really want my test run of chemical castration to be a realistic example of true castration as I feel this is something that I will seek down the road and want to be prepared for what it will be like.

Thanks

[mrt (imported)]

I am just trying to get some info on T levels. I have been taking 50mg 2 x's per day for 5 weeks now and feel great. At week 3 my T level came back at 66 there referance range is 241-827. I of course want to take the losest dose possible but am hesitant to reduce because of how good I feel and also I want to make sure I am at my T low.

My understanding , correct me if I am wrong. It is not unusual for someonme that is surgically castrated to still have some level of T in there body as there is another gland (cant remember) that produces some T. So basically my question is would 66 be considered castrate level? And if so would lowering my dose to say 25mg 2x's a day be a good start?

I really want my test run of chemical castration to be a realistic example of true castration as I feel this is something that I will seek down the road and want to be prepared for what it will be like.

Thanks

Adrenal glans put out (I think?) around 50 ng/dL so it sounds like you have done a pretty complete job of shutting off your testicles.

[gpb3aol (imported)]

Most consider 85ng/dL castrate level. But, I wouldn't change your dose for a couple of months, Your body will vary a little over time and you should wait for a couple of test before changing your dose.