Emotional response to men as a chemically castrated eunuch, on Androcur almost 12 wks

[kristoff]

Percentages is exactly how homosexuality was first determined to be biological as opposed to contagious which was a common concept at the time. Still is in some people's messed up minds. If homosexuality was social and not biological there would be much more variation, however these figures remained consistant. A conservative estimate would be around 4% as opposed to Kinsley's 10% in prisons where sexual preference does not offer a lot of options. Given the various hormones in foods that could affect early development pushing the number higher.

Bisexuality is given a higher percentage than homosexuality and some studies go as high as 20%. Another thing I have noticed is that this forum appears to have a much higher occurence of homosexuality than the general population. Correct me if I am wrong? If you are homosexual noone is going to judge you here, which makes coming out or coming to terms with your own identity a much easier process.

Perhaps the figures are not entirely improbably, especially with those who blush at a guy as their hormones change and suddenly proclaim that their sexual orientation has transmigrated.

Persons responding as gay to our survey 2+ years ago accounted for about 33% of our subject population. Reasons therefor are beyond our current understanding, when contrasted with Kinsey's finings. As an aside, Kinsey did not study prison populations, at least not in any of his original populations, in coming to any of his first conclusions at that time, which included his original 10% finding, as I understand. As a gay man who worked in prisons for 13+ years, I can assure you that substantially less than that would likely respond affirmatively to a question of being gay, likely even today, but especially in the late 40s and early 50s.

[iBorg317 (imported)]

I took the test at the linked site. On a few occasions I got browser error windows. At first I thought that it wouldn't work but I hit back and was able to finish the test. The results reflect a lot of what I feel. I was classed as:

"Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity."

Not earth shattering, just reinforces what I feel.

iBorg

[Danya (imported)]

I've still very obviously got a sexually responsive body. It's just responsive in different ways.

When I first got in bed last night and got comfortable, I had a vivid image of a very masculine man lowering himself over me. My breathing was getting very rapid and the experience was really intense. I felt that I was giving myself up to this man. BTW, never before in my life, with a real person (my ex-wife or a gay male lover) or an imagined partner, has my breathing become more rapid during sex. I’d always read this was a sign of sexual excitement but I had never had it happen to me. I didn't get an erection but it was a really intense experience. I finally understood what all this increased rate of breathing stuff was all about, and I liked it!

- vanya

[Danya (imported)]

I took the SAGE test and my result was consistent with what I've gotten on similar online tests. Probably male to female. I've never come out as androgynous. I can accept that I have female tendencies, if that's a proper way of looking at it! I believe I'm on the female side of eunuch, but still definitely not male to female.

I want to add that there are few times in my life where I've had any feeling of wanting to be a woman. I've allowed myself to consider the possibility of being female but it's never seemed to fit. I've never wanted breasts, for instance. I've imagined having breasts and it doesn't appeal to me at all.

These tests can be interesting but are no substitute for really getting to know yourself and who you are. I doubt that any test can reveal the true complexities of who we are.

[Danya (imported)]

Somehow, and it was probably because I was up really late for my last two posts here, I overlooked some of the very interesting discussion taking place.

As you may already realize, Sister Krister, I always love a challenge! I most definitely respect your opinions. I need to go back, when it's a reasonble hour, and read over the responses here. Turns out it's nearly 1 AM again.

-Sasha

[bunnimon (imported)]

Hmmm.. Why was my message deleted?

I said nothing of offence.

[erikboy (imported)]

I know that scientist have tried to use the same effect to change sexual direction, to make gay's stright. They tried some therapy while chemically castrated, to awake interest in women. I think I read some medical journal, but I'am not sure.

Can't remember what exactly was the conclusion. Probably it lead to nowhere as when T-levels were restored, old gay habits returned too.

[kristoff]

I know that scientist have tried to use the same effect to change sexual direction, to make gay's stright. They tried some therapy while chemically castrated, to awake interest in women. I think I read some medical journal, but I'am not sure.

Can't remember what exactly was the conclusion. Probably it lead to nowhere as when T-levels were restored, old gay habits returned too.

You conclusion is correct. Only a lot of them became pretty psychologically damaged as a result.

[mrt (imported)]

Sexuality's inability to be treated with hormones was my point.

Well I don't know of anyone seriously trying to "treat" peoples sexuality with hormones other then in Iran. However I can say from my personal experience that hormones did alter my wiring and who I was turned on by. It was quite odd to say the least. I've spoken to others who noticed the same changes and I think its incorrect to suggest that its not possible. You might have me agree that my statement and those of the others I've spoken to is not "science" My experience is that my own sexual steering "could" be modified if only temporarily by hormones. Experts can disagree but.... Thats my experience.

I think we can both agree that no one knows how sexual orientation works. I believe its more complicated then just one thing (like hormone levels) but I do believe that hormones do play a part. Having gone from healthy to low to no to healthy levels of male hormones I have (I think) a very good idea of how strongly hormones wire a person to be "sexual."

I've never heard of Magnus Hirschfield but anyone doing organ transplants in the 1930s and 40s before anti rejection drugs must have been an idiot never mind his wacky homosexuality theory.

[mrt (imported)]

I've still very obviously got a sexually responsive body. It's just responsive in different ways.

When I first got in bed last night and got comfortable, I had a vivid image of a very masculine man lowering himself over me. My breathing was getting very rapid and the experience was really intense. I felt that I was giving myself up to this man. BTW, never before in my life, with a real person (my ex-wife or a gay male lover) or an imagined partner, has my breathing become more rapid during sex. I’d always read this was a sign of sexual excitement but I had never had it happen to me. I didn't get an erection but it was a really intense experience. I finally understood what all this increased rate of breathing stuff was all about, and I liked it!

- vanya

aka todd

I'm pondering the two things that you said. That the sage test shows you to be female and this vision you had that sounds to me like female / male sex. Are you just having a difficult time pondering that possibility? If so have you explored why?

I have spoken to others that feel transition is impossible because they won't pass. I'm married to a very nice lady who I'm crazy about but she is not as "hot" as say Marci Bowers or TransgirlNY23 (What every happened to her?) And unlike the real MrT I am not nearly so handsome but... who cares?