Bubba26072 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:06 pm
thanks to all i guess i should probably say just in case i have not I AM MALE AND PROUD OF IT but I despise the out of control feelings i have towards women and what i could do or could not do with them so i would have to say even if i pursue becoming a eunich or just sticking it out with chemicals time will tell.....MAYBE WE HERE AT THIS SITE COULD COME UP WITH A GOOD BREIF MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY GLOSSARY OF WORDING... maybe not... but as i prgress with this both comfort with myself and comfort with this site or just a few of yas (southern for more than 1)i could beging to make a smooth transition with my own mental shortcomings.....until then i have another 200 miles to run....cya
Talking to a good shrink may end up being a surprise. I did. The poor slob was angry at how "healthy" I was. Me? I was surprised. I figured they would find any guy who was willing to have his balls removed must be crazy. In fact - NO! Being a mental patient is much more difficult...
Anyway, if your worried about the stigma associated with being transgendered - don't. I don't think that Eunuchs are even on the radar yet.
Hey Bubba26072, It's good to hear you express how good it is to be sharing all this with your wife. I try not to keep secrets from my wife either, so I prefer her to be involved in my sexual adventures. I think it was as she lost her thirst for sexual adventure that my latent interest in castration became stronger.
You have posted an interesting question. I don't really think about my drive towards castration as a gender issue. I have always been interested in body modification, and I guess I see castration partly in that light, and partly as a means of suppressing my sex drive. I'd say that my sexuality is 99% straight, and that my gender is 100% male. The fact that I'm interested in castration to the extent that I have experimented with chemical castration (and probably will again) doesn't, I feel, make me any less male, or less straight, come to that.
Riven (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:34 pm
Hey Bubba26072, It's good to hear you express how good it is to be sharing all this with your wife. I try not to keep secrets from my wife either, so I prefer her to be involved in my sexual adventures. I think it was as she lost her thirst for sexual adventure that my latent interest in castration became stronger.
You have posted an interesting question. I don't really think about my drive towards castration as a gender issue. I have always been interested in body modification, and I guess I see castration partly in that light, and partly as a means of suppressing my sex drive. I'd say that my sexuality is 99% straight, and that my gender is 100% male. The fact that I'm interested in castration to the extent that I have experimented with chemical castration (and probably will again) doesn't, I feel, make me any less male, or less straight, come to that.
riven you bring up a great point the funny thing is my wife and I have come to this consideration also.(and for those of you out there my wife is just as much involved on reading these as i am)..i actually exploded the other night for the simple fact that i might be doing this because of her lack in interest in sex..which after time... as i figured.. she is uncomfortable with the way she looks...although i have no issues with this it affects her but here is the scary part would i still consider chemical castration if this is true????yes over and over again for my thoughts and urges push me towards other women my heart and my very being belongs to my one true love..my wife ....now don't worry i understand fully want i am saying because also i realize that my lust and desires have made me do things to my wife i never thought possible. and i now know {because people like riven /mrt and the rest of y'all} i am not alone nor do i stand in a desolate room for i have my brothers around me to help me along my way.
Yes, absolutely Bubba. You are far from alone. I really don't know what 'most guys' in our position do about this issue. When our wives reach menopause (and it can happen in their early forties) they suffer a sudden drop in sex hormones - which in effect is the woman's natural castration. Men's sex hormones decline much more slowly and it's not unusual for healthy guys to remain sexually motivated and potent well into their 80s and beyond. This mismatch can put a terrible strain on our relationships. As far as I can see, most guys in this situation become furtive about their sexual adventures. I suppose this will simply be a continuation of the norm in relationships where sexual matters have never been openly discussed. But what about those of us who have always included our partners in our sex lives?
You mention your wife having body image issues. That's true of my wife too. We had had a wonderful sex life - the best ever for both of us. It necessarily had to take a back seat when our son was born, but we managed to get back to having good sex. Becoming a mother though did seem to dampen my wife's enthusiasm for sexual adventure. This doesn't happen to all women of course, particularly those who have their babies early. My wife and I didn't become parents until our early 40s, so I can imagine that she must have felt 'old' copmpared to all the young mums in the maternity ward, and those with whom she rubbed shoulders at play school, etc. So she was probably comparing herself unfavourably looks wise. In hindsight, I'm not sure I did enough to support her through this period. In fact, I did absolutely the worst thing possible: I had a brief affair with a woman nearly 15yrs her junior. To say that I felt terrible about this would be a gross understatement. And to say that my wife was generous and understanding about it would be another understatement. But we worked through this bad period and did our best to patch our sex life back together. Then her periods became eratic, and as soon as they stopped her doctor put her on HRT. Her energy, skin and muscle tone improved, as did her enjoyment of sex. We were engaging in conversation about sex more frequently too, but very few of the sexual adventure themes we discusses, you know, the things we'd say to each other during foreplay, seemed to turn her on any more. In other words, she didn't really want anything more exciting than the good old missionary position sex that we had become so good at (I'm talking simultaneous orgasms here) in the past. I still found myself wanting new experiences, and we discussed swinging, S&M and fetish clothing; we talked about doing it in unusual places, or trying anal, deep throat, anything. But she'd had enough of her first husband wanting her to try these things. I think that would have been about the time we first discussed castration. I don't think either of us was serious about it at first, but it had a sexual adventure 'edge' because of it being such a taboo subject, and it promised a 'pay off' in that it might put an end to my frustration. Despite HRT, my wife and I had come to terms with the fact that I wanted - needed - more sex than she did. I'd discovered a little subscription journal called Ball Club, and from the same American publisher, Unique (anyone remember those little mags from the 1990s?). Through Unique I got in contact with others into castration, and of course not long after that the internet took over as sites like BME and this forum got going.
I've rambled a bit here Bubba, but I thought you find my/our journey interesting.
So, addressing the subject of the thread: I don't think either my wife or I see me as having gender or sexuality issues. We just found ourselves liking the idea of castration. Maybe it reveals something about the nature of our relationship. I'm not sure. Perhaps I should try and get her to sign in and add a post to this thread.
Some really interesting posts in this thread. I'm definitely in the discovery stage on what transgender means to me and I get what some of you are saying when you don't view yourself as transgendered at all but want to be castrated.
For me, eunuch as a physical description of my body will probably describe where I wind up. OTOH, it feels kind of limiting. Each week, I'm learning more about myself and all this gender stuff.
Riven (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:01 am
Yes, absolutely Bubba. You are far from alone. I really don't know what 'most guys' in our position do about this issue. When our wives reach menopause (and it can happen in their early forties) they suffer a sudden drop in sex hormones - which in effect is the woman's natural castration. Men's sex hormones decline much more slowly and it's not unusual for healthy guys to remain sexually motivated and potent well into their 80s and beyond. This mismatch can put a terrible strain on our relationships. As far as I can see, most guys in this situation become furtive about their sexual adventures. I suppose this will simply be a continuation of the norm in relationships where sexual matters have never been openly discussed. But what about those of us who have always included our partners in our sex lives?
You mention your wife having body image issues. That's true of my wife too. We had had a wonderful sex life - the best ever for both of us. It necessarily had to take a back seat when our son was born, but we managed to get back to having good sex. Becoming a mother though did seem to dampen my wife's enthusiasm for sexual adventure. This doesn't happen to all women of course, particularly those who have their babies early. My wife and I didn't become parents until our early 40s, so I can imagine that she must have felt 'old' copmpared to all the young mums in the maternity ward, and those with whom she rubbed shoulders at play school, etc. So she was probably comparing herself unfavourably looks wise. In hindsight, I'm not sure I did enough to support her through this period. In fact, I did absolutely the worst thing possible: I had a brief affair with a woman nearly 15yrs her junior. To say that I felt terrible about this would be a gross understatement. And to say that my wife was generous and understanding about it would be another understatement. But we worked through this bad period and did our best to patch our sex life back together. Then her periods became eratic, and as soon as they stopped her doctor put her on HRT. Her energy, skin and muscle tone improved, as did her enjoyment of sex. We were engaging in conversation about sex more frequently too, but very few of the sexual adventure themes we discusses, you know, the things we'd say to each other during foreplay, seemed to turn her on any more. In other words, she didn't really want anything more exciting than the good old missionary position sex that we had become so good at (I'm talking simultaneous orgasms here) in the past. I still found myself wanting new experiences, and we discussed swinging, S&M and fetish clothing; we talked about doing it in unusual places, or trying anal, deep throat, anything. But she'd had enough of her first husband wanting her to try these things. I think that would have been about the time we first discussed castration. I don't think either of us was serious about it at first, but it had a sexual adventure 'edge' because of it being such a taboo subject, and it promised a 'pay off' in that it might put an end to my frustration. Despite HRT, my wife and I had come to terms with the fact that I wanted - needed - more sex than she did. I'd discovered a little subscription journal called Ball Club, and from the same American publisher, Unique (anyone remember those little mags from the 1990s?). Through Unique I got in contact with others into castration, and of course not long after that the internet took over as sites like BME and this forum got going.
I've rambled a bit here Bubba, but I thought you find my/our journey interesting.
So, addressing the subject of the thread: I don't think either my wife or I see me as having gender or sexuality issues. We just found ourselves liking the idea of castration. Maybe it reveals something about the nature of our relationship. I'm not sure. Perhaps I should try and get her to sign in and add a post to this thread.
shit dude just about hit the nail on the head. but when my wife read this we decided this was maybe our biggest issue believe it or not she wants to fix it without chemical castration at first.,, but i must be honest i dont see it getting any better... any one who knows of a good site for women fighting against low sexually desire please speak now... but personnally and this will be the first my wife hears this i say within 1 year i will be an alpha male who has no sexual desire from a medical means... i will unpdate every one via this link but who knows ...
Hello guys, just a little recap before I get to the point. I had cancer and after surgery had chemotherapy which pretty much killed my testicles. This cause them to stop produceing testosterone. I don't see this as a problem. I'm a gay man and the "fem" partner if you well.
Here's my point, I had to go on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) because I was depressed, no energy and emotional. Well, I like being emotional so that's not a problem even though my partner though it wasn't me.
Anyhow, I'm asking the true eunuchs here, what do you do to control the depression and low energy levels. I really want to get off the T and get a little soft. I don't want to be a girl I just want to be without the all I think about is sex thing.
Gary I met a person who was in your exact situation. The logical answer to that problem I guessed would be a balance of testosterone where you are not filling your system but you are still able to combat the low energy and depression. Whether this is practical is the question? The person I spoke to thought not and I'm a little ignorant as to why. Does the T only come in one uncompromising dose?
On another subject:
Here is a short list of more defintions relating to the subject of this thread:
Gender Identity: the gender a person identifies themselves with (man, woman, androgynous, third gender, omni-gendered, bigendered, multigendered.)
Sex: pertains particularly to the primary sex characteristics, ie. genitals, which is independent of gender identity. (male, female, intersex, eunuch) Secondary sex charateristics refers to being more physically masculine or feminine. I'd never thought of being a eunuch as a gender and I would have to say that this is a primary sex characteristic. Perhaps i'm wrong?
*A genetically born male who is a eunuch with a male gender identity really hasn't transgressed gender so I personally wouldn't consider them tg. If their gender id is different from birth sex then the tg label would make sense.
Gender: refers to the collective differences between males and females.
Gender role: refers to stereotypical feminine and masculine roles. This is not indicative of gender identity. A boy who playing with dolls (feminine gender role), for example, isn't necessarily a sign that he sees himself as a girl.
Sexual orientation: pertains to sexual behavior and is independent of gender identity and gender role. (i.e. heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, assexual, fetishistic behavior etc.)
Sexual identity: relates to both the sexual orientation a person identifies with (which may not necessarily be synonymous with preference) and sexual characteristics. A person may consider their sexual identity (male, female, eunuch) to be incongruent with their gender identity (woman, man, androgynous).
Transgender: Literally crossing gender. This is a throw-away term that is so broad it fails to hold any meaning. (A man who tries on women's underwear, crossdresser, transsexual, androgyny, autogynephilia, transgendered eunuch)
Crossdresser or transvestite: a person who wears clothing of the opposite gender. Often crossdressing is associated with sexual arousal or a fetish for women's clothing. This behavior, like many fetishes, generally begins in early puberty.
Transsexual: Someone who has or wishes to sugically alter their sex organs in order to be congruent with their gender identity. Transsexualism is distinct from crossdressing as it is a congenital condition which is NOT motivated by a sense of eroticism. By this definition a could some eunuchs be considered ts? Someone not wanting to have surgery does not fit into this category such as a person who only takes hormones.
Autogynephilia: A MTF who has or wishes to surgically alter their sex organs, is attracted to females and is sexually arroused by living as a woman. This is a contorversial theory and it's diagnosis is overly simplified, although some MTF transsexuals do identify themselves as autogynephiles. Sexual orientation is not necessarily related to gender identity and this theory is based on a bias of the sexologists who developed it (Blanchard, Bailey and Lawrence).
*Possibly some eunuchs loosely fit into this category in that they have or wish to have surgery for sexual purposes or as a fetish (particularly those in the BDSM scene)?
Androgynous: A person who does not identify with either gender. Such a person may have a preference for non-gendered pronouns such as zhe or zir
Bi-gendered: refers to a person who identifies with both genders.
Omni-gendered: A person who identifies with more than two gender identities or a spectrum of genders.
Many ts/tg/cd selectively find the trumpeting out of labels distasteful as they prefer to see themselves as simply "people" and some of the labels have negative or even derrogative connotations as the author of this thread may have found. This list is for educational purposes only and in no way requires anyone to tattoo their forehead with any of these terms.
i could beging to make a smooth transition with my own mental shortcomings.....until then i have another 200 miles to run....cya
