crankshaft (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:12 pm but, having been there done that (had firearms )for all my life,
got the teeshirt, having repelled borders on a home invasion, if it WASNT for having a firearm probably would not be alive, take it or leave it,
also stumbled into some gangbangers at a mall parkinglot, must have thought I was a easyone with the grandkids along, they found out not to bring a knife to a gun fight,
We have a saying in the sciences: data is not the plural of anecdote. That is to say, the events of your life have absolutely nothing to do with actual probabilities. Just because I happen to know someone who won a $100k lottery, does that mean that winning lotteries like that is normal? Nearly everyone in my family works in healthcare and knows the name of every single and muscle bone in the Human body. So should I assume that EVERYONE knows that stuff too? I've met smokers who are over a century old, and I'm sure you have too -- but do you really believe that those people somehow disprove the correlation between smoking and premature death?
Seriously, nothing makes a person look sillier than when they try to use individual examples to contradict scientifically-proven correlations and trends. And yet it's the only way that Conservatives know how to argue -- completely irrationally and without the tiniest shred of statistical, logical, or scientific evidence.
And yet people who own cars and ropes are much less likely to actually kill themselves than people who own guns. Gun owners have a much -- MUCH -- higher rate of successful suicide attempts than non-gun-owners. That's just a fact; deal with it. Just because someone could kill themselves by bashing in their head with a bat, that doesn't mean that very many people actually do; it's too difficult and too counter-instinctual. People shoot themselves in the face in enormous numbers though; pulling a tiny little lever on a metal tube isn't counter-instinctual at all. That's why the government makes it so hard to buy sleeping pills -- it's really easy to swallow a whole bunch of pills. Too easy. Yet anyone can buy knives, because it's nearly impossible to deliberately gouge an artery open. Do you understand how this works yet? How REALITY works?crankshaft (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:12 pm as for depression, a gun is just a tool, cars, rope, ect work just as well, seen that over my yrs,
I'm sorry that reality has such a liberal bias. It must be hard living in a world that is so cruel as to contradict your silly beliefs with cold, hard statistics. One person, a hundred people, even ten thousand people, are completely useless for disproving correlations found in studies of hundreds of millions of people and an entire century of violent crimes.crankshaft (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:12 pm you sound like one of the brady kiddies(sarah bradys handgun control inc) with your quote facts, say what you want, but there are those of us out here that know/are living proof otherwise,
Hey, as long as we're using Republican-style thinking, how about this one -- I happen to know someone who had a family member murdered by a police officer. Therefore, by YOUR logic, EVERYONE has their family members murdered by police officers all the time, and we should all go around shooting cops in self-defense. After all, my friend is PROOF that cops are murderers, and kill more people than they help.
The odds that you would have faced a violent home invader are significantly lower than the odds that you would have at some point become sufficiently angry or unbalanced to commit murder. And that's just a fact. What actually happened is irrelevant, because for every person like you with a story about how their gun saved their life, there are fifty more with a story about how someone they love is dead as a result of gun violence, and another hundred who are simply dead and will never get to tell their story at all.
How would YOU propose to lock up the gun owners who DO have guns?
