Noble Peace Prize

[jemagirl (imported)]

...as far as 'moveon.org(asm)' goes, the 'movement' is from the bowels of the country as the diatribe they attempt to feed us is attempted to be digested by the masses but instead 'passes' as large, greasy, half-decomposed turds without a shred of sustanance within them.

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With all do respect, I hear folks condemn moveon.org all the time but they never seem to go beyond the name calling to explain the basis of their hatred of this group. Do people hate them because they are perceived as liberals, left wing, or perhaps using unfair tactics.

I don't hate moveon.org. I see them as just another politically active group on the landscape of American politics. Like every other group they do their best to influence the politicians in Washington and elsewhere. They hold vigils, send out petitions, and use political advertising which isn't always accurate. Then again when has political advertising been accurate?

Moveon.org is in fact not unlike the Jerry Fallwell's Moral Majority which morphed ( I wanted to say evolved... ) into the mode of right wing politics we know today where the Republican party has essentially adopted the Righting fundamentalist agenda as a plank in the party. Considering how successful that marriage has been it was only a matter of time before it would be answered. So if it wasn't moveon.org it would be some other group.

So the final question is what bothers you so much about moveon.org? Is it their tactics or their political agenda? If that is a false dichotomy, feel free answer the question how you want.

[kristoff]

With all do respect, I hear folks condemn moveon.org all the time but they never seem to go beyond the name calling to explain the basis of their hatred of this group. Do people hate them because they are perceived as liberals, left wing, or perhaps using unfair tactics.

I don't hate moveon.org. I see them as just another politically active group on the landscape of American politics. Like every other group they do their best to influence the politicians in Washington and elsewhere. They hold vigils, send out petitions, and use political advertising which isn't always accurate. Then again when has political advertising been accurate?

Moveon.org is in fact not unlike the Jerry Fallwell's Moral Majority which morphed ( I wanted to say evolved... ) into the mode of right wing politics we know today where the Republican party has essentially adopted the Righting fundamentalist agenda as a plank in the party. Considering how successful that marriage has been it was only a matter of time before it would be answered. So if it wasn't moveon.org it would be some other group.

So the final question is what bothers you so much about moveon.org? Is it their tactics or their political agenda? If that is a false dichotomy, feel free answer the question how you want.

I would also question just how Swift Boaters and other ilk are any different from move on, save they are on the other side of the lake. I consider the Swifties to be one of the scummiest of the lot, spewing the most venom, hate, and untruth.

[A-1 (imported)]

With all do respect, I hear folks condemn moveon.org all the time but they never seem to go beyond the name calling to explain the basis of their hatred of this group. Do people hate them because they are perceived as liberals, left wing, or perhaps using unfair tactics.

I don't hate moveon.org. I see them as just another politically active group on the landscape of American politics. Like every other group they do their best to influence the politicians in Washington and elsewhere. They hold vigils, send out petitions, and use political advertising which isn't always accurate. Then again when has political advertising been accurate?

Moveon.org is in fact not unlike the Jerry Fallwell's Moral Majority which morphed ( I wanted to say evolved... ) into the mode of right wing politics we know today where the Republican party has essentially adopted the Righting fundamentalist agenda as a plank in the party. Considering how successful that marriage has been it was only a matter of time before it would be answered. So if it wasn't moveon.org it would be some other group.

So the final question is what bothers you so much about moveon.org? Is it their tactics or their political agenda? If that is a false dichotomy, feel free answer the question how you want.

Basically the same thing that bothered me about the moral majority. (They were neither.)

They have no intention of 'moving on' unless it is shitting on us to get their agenda pushed through. I do not care for either their tactics nor their agenda.

But mostly I tire of the nastyness from both sides. It is needless and boring. It is like two nasty children who are long overdue for a good, old-fashioned, ASS BEATING!

[Francis (imported)]

Well, there is not much doubt that we are in a warming phase but we have been there before and sea levels have been much higher than they are now. This all has happened after the human race came around interspersed with a few ice ages and offsetting cold spells. What happened to the mammoths 10,000 years ago? I personally don't believe that mankind's CO2 emmissions have much of a contributing factor in the current round of global warming but even if they do, it is unlikely if we could do much to now undo it. It is essentially the "Chicken Little Syndrome" that seems to grip the public every once in a while. No one knows what causes that either

I applaud the effort to concerve our use of hydrocarbons because they come from finite sources and are only very very slowly being replaced. In time to come people will be appalled that we used such valuable resources to just get ourselves around and keep our houses at skin temperature, but having said that I do not applaud ripping up everything we have achieved over the last 10,000 years or so and reverting to being hunter gatherers. That doesn't make sense.

It does seem to me though that it would be much more useful to accept that global warming is occuring and doing something to prepare for the probable consequences, (e.g. Maybe dykes a la Holland will have to be built to protect Bangladesh.) which by the way will be both good and bad for mankind. Click on the following site for an interesting display of the Journey of Man. http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/. It is an overview of the advances and declines of the global temperature overlaid on the tracking that has been done on the DNA of people worldwide over the last 130,000 years together with some archaeologic input. One thing it demonstrates is that the global climate has never been stable and the second thing it demonstrates is that mankind has prospered in the warmer spells.

Food for thought.

For a bunch of scientific scholars that run the Nobel selection committee I think they must have have passed their use-by date and possibly are in the terminal stages of Alzheimers in awarding the Prize to Al Gore who was never noted for genuine acumen.

[sag111 (imported)]

Well I have decided to do my part and I bought a solar water heater today and I am looking into solar electric.I need to do this because my electric bills are killing me like 475 for June and 350 for July and 453 for Aug I felt good to have a low bill of only 202 for Sept.I cant emagine how much people pay that live in thoes big homes.

[sag111 (imported)]

I think 1400 in four monthes has woken this boy up I must say though PG@E is very high per KW.Their are other energy supliers around us that are much cheeper but I live in the country and cant get it from them.PG@E charges from 13cents per KW to 37 cents so I will do what I have to and if it is making my own so be it.

[Pueros]

In response to some of the above posts, I'll just repeat what I stated in my own earlier submission, with a few words added:-

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Some of the comments in this thread truly sadden me and again demonstrate to me what is wrong with the USA today. There are simply too many Americans who cannot recognise global reality when it stares them in the face, preferring to view issues without proper UNBIASED study and in a parochial and frankly rather selfish manner,

GIVEN THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE WORLD'S BIGGEST POLLUTER!"

PUEROS

[Blaise (imported)]

In response to some of the above posts, I'll just repeat what I stated in my own earlier submission, with a few words added:-

"

Some of the comments in this thread truly sadden me and again demonstrate to me what is wrong with the USA today. There are simply too many Americans who cannot recognise global reality when it stares them in the face, preferring to view issues without proper UNBIASED study and in a

parochial and frankly rather selfish manner,

GIVEN THAT THEY'RE REP

RESENTATIVES OF THE WORLD'S BIGGEST POLLUTER!"

PUEROSAmen, we simply deny our situation and our responsibility for it.

[JesusA (imported)]

Supreme Court Gives Gore's Nobel to Bush

Stunning Reversal for Former Veep

Friday, October 12

Washington – Just hours after former Vice President Al Gore received the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts on global warming, the United States Supreme Court handed Mr. Gore a stunning reversal, stripping him of his Nobel and awarding it to President George W. Bush instead.

For Mr. Gore, who basked in the adulation of the Nobel committee and the world, the high court's decision to give his prize to President Bush was a cruel twist of fate, to say the least.

But in a 5-4 decision, the justices made it clear that they had taken the unprecedented step of stripping Mr. Gore of his Nobel because President Bush deserved it more.

"It is true that Al Gore has done a lot of talking about global warming," wrote Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority. "But President Bush has actually helped create global warming."

Even as Mr. Gore was being stripped of his Nobel, he received strong words of support from Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who said that the former vice president's Nobel win "shows that he is devoting his life to the right thing and should definitely stay the course."

In an interview with reporters in Iowa, Sen. Clinton said that "Al Gore should remain dedicated to the cause of global climate change, at least through November of 2008."

Sen. Clinton suggested that Mr. Gore could further research the source of global warming by immediately boarding a rocket ship to the sun.

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[Blaise (imported)]

Supreme Court Gives Gore's Nobel to Bush

Stunning Reversal for Former Veep

Friday, October 12

Washington – Just hours after former Vice President Al Gore received the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts on global warming, the United States Supreme Court handed Mr. Gore a stunning reversal, stripping him of his Nobel and awarding it to President George W. Bush instead.

For Mr. Gore, who basked in the adulation of the Nobel committee and the world, the high court's decision to give his prize to President Bush was a cruel twist of fate, to say the least.

But in a 5-4 decision, the justices made it clear that they had taken the unprecedented step of stripping Mr. Gore of his Nobel because President Bush deserved it more.

"It is true that Al Gore has done a lot of talking about global warming," wrote Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority. "But President Bush has actually helped create global warming."

Even as Mr. Gore was being stripped of his Nobel, he received strong words of support from Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who said that the former vice president's Nobel win "shows that he is devoting his life to the right thing and should definitely stay the course."

In an interview with reporters in Iowa, Sen. Clinton said that "Al Gore should remain dedicated to the cause of global climate change, at least through November of 2008."

Sen. Clinton suggested that Mr. Gore could further research the source of global warming by immediately boarding a rocket ship to the sun.

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The universe is restored--at least through 2008.