no gay people in Iran

[Jenny (imported)]

It is far better to lead by example than to enforce your cultural point of view by the barrel of a gun.

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you tell em Jemmagirl:), I am right behind you,

I always love to sneak up on a girl when she is laying down the law,

[devi (imported)]

Ahhhh. I think it's just better to wash our own noses and let the Shiite Iranians duke it out with their archrivals the Sunni Al Qaeda until they both drop dead of exhaustion and to hell with being involved over there or even bothering to even listen to any of them.

[John Sheraton (imported)]

IbPervert, when they hung those two teenage kids, to me it looked like they had them standing on a mobil truck-type-platform when they put the knoses around their necks (they were also blindfolded). Then, it looked to me like they moved the truck, taking the platform on which they were standing out from under their feet, letting them swing, as in the slow dead method. Not nice either way, but this looked like the worst for these two young attractive kids.

[IbPervert (imported)]

Where is the video?

No it is not a nice way to go!

[JesusA (imported)]

Some additional information to add to the conversation....

No Gays in Iran… But Many Same-Sex Couples

William O. Beeman

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was derided for his statement in a Sept. 24 speech at Columbia University that homosexuality doesn't exist in Iran. Though many Americans may find it incredible, differences in the construction of sexual behavior do exist across cultures.?

As an anthropologist, I can state with confidence that sexuality varies tremendously between cultures. The notion that one is either "gay" or "straight" does not accord with what we observe in human sexual behavior, which is far more flexible. This categorization is an artifact of American culture, which glories in binary categories for classifying people. Folks that identify as "bisexual" (yet another ambiguous category) in the United States often get grief from both the gay and straight community for "deluding" themselves about their sexuality.?

Of course it is impossible to discern precisely what President Ahmadinejad meant in his remarks. But what is true is the construction of same-sex behavior and, indeed, same-sex affection in Iran is extremely different than in Europe and America. There has been a recent phenomenon of Western-style "gay culture" emerging in Iran – replete with gay bars, clubs and house parties – but this is very new, largely limited to the upper classes, and likely not known to President Ahmadinejad, whose social milieu is the middle and lower-middle class. This recent Western-style gay phenomenon is distinct from ordinary same-sex behavior as practiced traditionally in Iran. Indeed, there was not even a word for homosexuality in Persian before the 20th century. It had to be invented. The term used by President Ahmadinejad was “hamjensbaz,” a neologism that literally means, “playing with the same sex.” ?

In Iran, same-sex sexual behavior is classified rigidly into active and passive roles. The Arabic terms “fa’el” and “maf’oul” (active and passive – actually grammatical terms used to describe active and passive verbs) were the common designation for these roles. The passive partner is still called by the Arabic term “obneh,” or, more crudely, “kuni.” (Kun means anus.) The active vs. passive same-sex preference is well known in the Western world, but it is constructed quite differently in Iran and other Arab and Mediterranean cultures.?

Active partners in Iran do not consider themselves to be “homosexual.” Indeed, it is a kind of macho boast in some circles that one has been an active partner with another male. Passive partners are denigrated and carry a life-long stigma if their sexual role is known, even after a single incident. They have been deflowered, as it were, in the same way that women might lose their virginity, and they are considered to be "xarob" or "destroyed." ?

In actual fact, many men are "versatile" in their sexual activity but if they are known to have relations with other men, they will always claim in public to be the active partner. Same-sex relations between females are undoubtedly practiced, but this is the deepest secret in Iran, and rarely talked about at all.?

Emotional relations are very different. Men and women both may become exceptionally attached to people of the same sex, to the point that Westerners would swear that they must have a sexual relationship. It is not necessarily so. Kissing, holding hands, weeping, jealousy, physical contact and all the signs of partnership can exist without any sexual activity or, indeed, with an undercurrent of absolute horror that it might take place, because of the active-passive split in sexual classification and men's fear of being pegged as a passive partner. A man who truly loves another man doesn't want to degrade him by making him a passive sex partner.?

More typically, male teenagers who become exceptionally attached may marry sisters in order to become kin to each other, thereby creating a lifelong bond. There is even a quasi-marriage ceremony based on the idea of “muta,” or temporary marriage, through which two men or two women can become fictive “siblings.” This takes care of many things, allowing intimate relations, and intimacy between family relations, but also imposing an even stronger taboo against sexual relations, which would be considered incest. ?

Iranians who come to Europe and the United States may "discover" that they are "gay" once they are liberated from the rigid cultural system that binds them into these polarized active-passive roles.?

To be sure, sodomy is punishable by death in Iran, but such executions have been historically extremely rare compared with the routine incidence of same-sex sexual behavior in Iran. Much was made in the United States of two boys who were executed in the city of Mashhad a few years ago for "being homosexual," as the Western press put it. However, they were executed because they had essentially committed what we would call statutory rape on an under-aged boy. The boy's father was beside himself with rage and grief, and pressed charges. In many such cases, the shame of the family and the victim himself is so great that no one ever finds out. ?

In the end, both the United States and Iran classify sexuality in a way that fails to accord with the range of actual human proclivities. However, there is no doubt that the two systems are very different.

William O. Beeman is professor and chair of the department of anthropology at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. He has been conducting research in Iran for more than 30 years, and is a fluent speaker of Persian. He is author of Language, Status and Power in Iran and The "Great Satan" vs. the "Mad Mullahs": How the United States and Iran Demonize Each Other, the second edition of which will be published later this year by the University of Chicago Press.

New American Media

Friday, September 28, 2007

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_art ... 619b83cd45 0f0661f0343

[sag111 (imported)]

We have been at war with Iran ever since the Sha fell from power and we will be until someone dose something to stop thies guys.Their is one thing we all should take note here and I dont think many realey understand just what this mad man was saying this past week.When he says Iran will take out Israel he is giving a Muslam warning as is their custom so their enemies have time to convert to Islam.So be warned Iran will in the next year or two do as they have warned and we all understand what this will do to the world markets and our oil suply and yes how we respond.Hay when France is getting worried we all need to stand up and take notes as thies folks dont take to war at the drop of the hat as us Americans do.I have been saying this for most of the summer now but I think the writing is on the wall and we do need to keep an eye on Iran Syria and North Karea as thies countries seam to be working very close thies days.Just for thought as we know their was no nukes or mass distruction of any kind found in Iraq but remember the first galf war and how thier planes were flown to Iran so we wouldent down them.I would bet if Sadams soninlaw wasent killed by him he could tell us where they went and how advanced they were when they were taken out of Iraq.

[Paolo]

Now, this comment is NOT to poke fun at Christians, Israel, or anyone AT ALL...

However, if you are a Christian and know anything at all about the prophecies concerning the End Times, then you should well know that Israel - while it may suffer some more - will be protected literally by the Hand of God when enemies come up against her.

Also, if you believe this, then it's going to happen - and all the fretting you can do won't change that. It's prophesied what will happen to Israel.

Now, if you're not a Believer, then fret all you want. It still won't help. It's all international politics in the hands of a bunch of idiots who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[Jenny (imported)]

Now, if you're not a Believer, then fret all you want. It still won't help. It's all international politics in the hands of a bunch of idiots who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

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Loved this letter so down to earth and so honest

[A-1 (imported)]

Ahhhh. I think it's just better to wash our own noses and let the Shiite Iranians duke it out with their archrivals the Sunni Al Qaeda until they both drop dead of exhaustion and to hell with being involved over there or even bothering to even listen to any of them.

Funny you should believe this...

Get a load of this (http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=7120551)!

Suicide bomber strikes Shiite and Sunni reconciliation meeting in Baqouba, killing 15

Sep 24, 2007 01:56 PM

BAGHDAD (AP) -- A suicide bomber struck a reconciliation meeting of Shiite and Sunni tribal leaders and senior provincial officials in Baqouba on Monday, killing at least 15 people, including the city's police chief, security officials said.

A witness said most of the people killed or wounded were in the mosque yard washing their hands or drinking tea after taking a break from the meeting for the iftar banquet, the daily meal to break the sunrise-to-sunset fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

The bombing, which bore the hallmarks of al-Qaida in Iraq, was a challenge to the U.S. strategy of turning members of both Islamic sects against extremists in a bid to duplicate the success in Anbar province to the west of the capital.

The U.S. military has claimed recent success in quelling violence in Baqouba by sending thousands of additional American and Iraqi troops to the area, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. The meeting of tribal leaders and clerics from both Islamic sects was aimed at reducing sectarian tension and discussing ways to support security forces against insurgents.

The attacker detonated his explosives vest about 8:30 p.m. as guards searched him at the entrance to a Shiite mosque as many meeting participants were waiting to get back into the building.

Baqouba's police chief Brig. Gen. Ali Dalyan and the Diyala provincial operations chief Brig. Gen. Najib al-Taie were near the bomber and were among the 15 killed, according to the security and health officials.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to release the information, also said 28 people were wounded, including several other senior provincial leaders.

In a separate attack, a suicide truck bomber struck an Iraqi checkpoint near the northern city of Tal Afar, killing three security forces and three civilians and wounding 16 other people, said Mayor Najim Abdullah.

Also Monday, Iran closed major border crossings with northeastern Iraq on Monday to protest the U.S. detention of an Iranian official the military accused of weapons smuggling, a Kurdish official said.

Five border gates were closed starting Sunday night and continuing Monday morning, leaving travelers and cargo stranded, according to officials and witnesses.

The move threatens the economy of Iraq's northern region -- one of the country's few success stories -- and also appears aimed at driving a wedge between Iraq and the Americans at a time of friction over a deadly shooting in Baghdad involving the security firm Blackwater USA.

There were varying resp

onses from Iranian officials to the bor

der closures.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, asked by The Associated Press, said the intent was to protect pilgrims.

"On an annual basis millions of Iranians visit Iraq and Iraq's holy sites for pilgrimage purposes,'' Ahmadinejad said in the interview in New York. "Recently as a result of some clashes and the explosion of some bombs a number of Iranian civilian casualties arose. So the government has asked Iranian citizens to avoid traveling for pilgrimage purposes until security is restored. The commercial goods and freight transactions continue and the travel across the border for those purposes continue.''

However, the semiofficial Mehr news agency reported that five border points had been closed to protest the detention of the Iranian, who has been identified as Mahmudi Farhadi. He was arrested four days ago during a raid on a hotel in Sulaimaniyah, 160 miles northeast of Baghdad.

The closure will continue until Farhadi's unconditional release, the Mehr agency quoted Ismail Najjar, general governor of Iranian Kurdistan province, as saying.

Confusing matters even further, the public relations department at the Interior Ministry in Tehran said no decision had been made to shut the border.

U.S. officials said Farhadi was a member of the elite Quds force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards that smuggles weapons into Iraq. But Iraqi and Iranian leaders said he was in the country on official business and with the full knowledge of the government.

Sulaimaniyah Gov. Dana Ahmed Majeed told the AP the move affected crossing points near the border towns of Panjwin, Haj Omran, Halabja and Khanaqin. A crossing at the town of Shena had remained open, but the mayor of the nearby town of Qalat Diza, Hussein Ahmed, said that gate was closed about 10 a.m.

Darseem Ahmed, an official at the gate near Haj Omran, 225 miles northeast of Baghdad, said up to 400 trucks use that crossing point daily.

A Kurdish merchant from Sulaimaniyah said he had three trucks loaded with construction materials stuck on the Iranian side of the border near Panjwin.

"They didn't allow them to cross, they closed the gate,'' Khalid Aman Sulaiman said, expressing concern the move would cause prices of imported products to spike. He said he would consider bringing the goods across illegal routes if the border points don't open within a week.

Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the autonomous Kurdish government, said the Iranian move "will have a bad effect on the economic situation of the Kurdish government and will hurt the civilians as well.''

"We are paying the price of what the Americans have done by arresting the Iranian,'' he said.

Abdullah said the regional government had asked the central government to contact Iranian officials in Baghdad to stress that Kurdish authorities had no role in the detention.

"If this closure continues it will have an effect on the historical relations between the Kurdish government and the Iranian state,'' Abdullah added.

Iran has denied U.S. allegations that it is smuggling weapons to Shiite militias in Iraq.

But the U.S. insists it has evidence to the contrary. On Monday, U.S. troops killed one suspected militant and detained four others said to be involved in kidnapping operations run by Iranian-backed Shiite militias in Baghdad's Shiite district of Sadr City, the military said.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has condemned Farhadi's arrest, saying he understood the man had been invited to Iraq.

"The government of Iraq is an elected one and sovereign. When it gives a visa, it is responsible for the visa,'' al-Maliki told the AP in an interview Sunday in New York. "We consider the arrest ... of this individual who holds an Iraqi visa and a (valid) passport to be unacceptable.''

Last week, President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, demanded the Iranian's release and warned in a letter to America's top commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker that Iran had threatened to close its border with Iraq's Kurdish region over the case -- a move that would cause considerable damage to trade in the prosperous Kurdish region.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Sunday that Farhadi was in charge of border transactions in western Iran and went to Iraq on an official invitation.

The U.S. military said the suspect was being questioned about "his knowledge of, and involvement in,'' the transportation of EFPs and other roadside bombs from Iran into Iraq and his possible role in the training of Iraqi insurgents in Iran.

Just do a "GOOGLE" search with the key words shiite sunni reconciliation suicide bomber and read away!

[A-1 (imported)]

Now, this comment is NOT to poke fun at Christians, Israel, or anyone AT ALL...

However, if you are a Christian and know anything at all about the prophecies concerning the End Times, then you should well know that Israel - while it may suffer some more - will be protected literally by the Hand of God when enemies come up against her.

Also, if you believe this, then it's going to happen - and all the fretting you can do won't change that. It's prophesied what will happen to Israel.

Now, if you're not a Believer, then fret all you want. It still won't help. It's all international politics in the hands of a bunch of idiots who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Maybe so, but they seem to know and believe their Bibles and are in league with the believers in America of many denominations, not all Christian, too.

America was a key element in creating Israel and sure will not abandon a friend it their time of need.

Is loyalty bad too?