Interesting Surgical Procedure

[Beau Geste (imported)]

Not sure this is the proper forum for this subject, but I thought this article was interesting. Not a complete surgical restoration, but apparently an improvement.

http://www.economist.com/science/displa ... id=9794899

[Glenda J (imported)]

Beau,

Thanks for quoting that.

Here is my quick story. In the early 1990's, I worked at Johnson Space Center in Houston. Pretty high class eh?? And most of the folks I worked for were top of the line. Many were Muslims. I do not know why that area of Houston has a high Muslim population. Many ran liquor stores of all things!!

In the office was the chatter of a man at NASA (or a contractor) from Egypt who was an engineer and married an American woman. Part of the agreement was that after their honeymoon she would undergo a cliterodectomy.

I was pretty horrified at the time. One of my Muslim co-workers says emphatically that this was a culterial thing and not a mainstreem Muslim practice.

I think he was right. I have no reason to believe Muslims in general practice female genital mutilation.

But, point is that it does go on in the USA right here and right now. From a fantasy story point of view no problem. In the real world, no way.

Regards,

[Bagoas (imported)]

It would appear that the purpose of this mutilation is that the man should enjoy sex, but not the woman. How very Muslim !

[Kangan (imported)]

Sounds like a jealousy issue to me. If the wife cannot enjoy sex then she is not going to cheat on the husband, hence the clitoridectomy. I do agree that this is a very backward and Moslem point of view.

[IbPervert (imported)]

cliterodectomy is a long standing practice in the Arab world. It is very dangerous and ruins a women for life. There are people in the world that are working to get it banned. If you find someone in America that says they will do this to there child call your local child protective service and/or police. They will stop it from happening.

Personally, I think circumcision should be outlawed as well.

[kristoff]

cliterodectomy is a long standing practice in the Arab world. It is very dangerous and ruins a women for life. There are people in the world that are working to get it banned. If you find someone in America that says they will do this to there child call your local child protective service and/or police. They will stop it from happening.

Personally, I think circumcision should be outlawed as well.

And how does your notion gibe with the frequent desire here for castration, penectomy, nullification (aside from the issue of children)?

[Glenda J (imported)]

Kristoff et al,

Fantasy is one thing and reality another. I am personally not into to the stories that involve nullification, but I also believe that we are to have a freeer board, we have to give and take.

I have not had an erection now for many years, but have a good sex life. An impotent penis, for me, is more pleasurable than an erect one. Again, my opinion only.

My other comment is on Islam. There is no Vatican in Islam and practices vary a lot. Many Islamic women only wear the hadj (scarf) on occasion such as to services. And to say anything like a majority are de-clitted is just not true. On the other hand, there are some horror stories for sure when an American woman marries a Muslim man.

I try and keep an open mind regarding religion. In my own research on the subject, eunuchs have no general place in Islam. They do, of course, in both Judiasm and Christianity.

Regards,

[JesusA (imported)]

Genital alterations/mutilations of various sorts have a long history in human cultures.

The eariest documented male circumcision is from ancient Egypt. (Detected in very early and well preserved mummies.) The Jews may well have taken the idea from there.

The female alteration that is sometimes called "female circumcision", but more often these days "female genital mutilation" is also found in ancient Egypt.

Male circumcision was adopted into Islam very early as an imitation of the Jewish practice. It is nowhere stated as essential to the faith in any of the earliest writings (including the Koran and the recorded sayings of the Prophet). There are contemporary Moslems who do not practice it and who even argue against it.

The female genital alteration was adopted into Islam only in some regions where the faith spread. In each area, it seems to be an Islamic acceptance of an already existing cultural practice.

Many Moslems, of course, think that these pre-Islamic folk practices are somehow an essential part of their faith. They are no more Islamic than the celebration of Christmas is Christian. Early Christian theologians (as late as the fifth century) argued that to celebrate the birth of Jesus was to treat him like a secular king and that it was absolutely UN-Christian. It became a Christian celebration based on previous folk celebrations of the ruler's birthday. Even the date of Christmas was chosen to match an existing pre-Christian holiday.

[BossTamsin (imported)]

Sounds like a jealousy issue to me. If the wife cannot enjoy sex then she is not going to cheat on the husband, hence the clitoridectomy. I do agree that this is a very backward and Moslem point of view.

Yes, and so utterly unlike the Christian (mainly Catholic) point of view where NOBODY should enjoy sex.